SA to intro 'Super Hi-5'

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

$1 minimum on a 5 ecta???!?!?! Yet the super is only a dime??? lololol

That's the reason the wager has been developed. The .10 super is syphoning the payouts for serious super players and this $1 bet is in response to their complaints/suggestions. As Hammerle once said on the show when asked about $1 or .50 P6's, if you lower the cost, the ability to hit soars and the reward drops.

If you listen to the show from last night, Charles and Hammer explained that they are guessing the pool in this could result in $50,000-$75,000 one day carryovers. And since Hammer writes the cards, you can be sure the nightcaps are going to be deep and competitive. Watch what happens when this goes unhit for 2 days and there's suddenly a $1,000,000 in a single race pool.

Originally Posted by Scav

Yeah, that is pretty rough if you ask me. If they did it for a dime I could see some action on that but $1, that is nuts, 5 horse box will cost $120, 6 horse box will cost $720.

I like the Hammer, but he is out of his mind with this idea. Add a midrange Pk4 or something if you have to add an exotic

I got a 1 meet shelf life on this exotics, tops

It wasn't Rick's idea. It came out in response to horseplayer focus groups that Santa Anita regularly conducts. And the depth of tickets is exactly what drives the bet...

At first blush, I'd imagine people would approach this with an exacta over trifecta mentality: a variation of Steve Crist's "double-key part wheel" approach to Superfectas that treats it as a win bet in concert with a trifecta. 2x1x4x3x2 would be a $48 ticket... (Keying is obviously another option which 'reduces' the play to a win bet in concert with a superfecta.)

The attraction of this play is going to be for the pool scoop shooters. Think of it as a single race P6... It will be a success.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

they can add this bet but getting the final odds on the board before the 1/2 mile time is impossible?

There was a piece in Thoroughbred Times recently that explains the late odds changes (yet again). I'll try to find it. It has to do with the crush of wagering that comes in the last couple of ticks. Something like 70% of pools arrives in the final 3 minutes of wagering which is re-tabulated every 45 seconds. That's why you get in-race odds changes after the bells.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There was a piece in Thoroughbred Times recently that explains the late odds changes (yet again). I'll try to find it. It has to do with the crush of wagering that comes in the last couple of ticks. Something like 70% of pools arrives in the final 3 minutes of wagering which is re-tabulated every 45 seconds. That's why you get in-race odds changes after the bells.

The issue is the 9/29/07 TTimes and focused on the efforts of the Wagering Transmission Protocol working group as part of the TRA's meeting at the American Royal (of all places) in Kansas City in September.

Using Del Mar '07 as the example, the TRPB found the following:

Handle % accrued/MTP:

3 MTP: 49.4%
2 MTP: 60.7%
1 MTP: 72.6%
0 MTP: 84.6%
OFF: 95.3%
10-sec. force: 99.5% (Forced odds cycling 10 seconds after gates open)

"Most TRA tracks have implemented forced odds cycling 10 sec. after wagering closes. But win odds will STILL change since about 7% of handle is generated within the final seconds before the bell. In some cases 50% of the pool comes in the final 120 seconds but odds are updated every 45 seconds. More frequent updates during the final minutes would make late odds changes look less nefarious."

J. Curtis Linnell, Director of Wagering Analysis for the TRPB

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

That's the reason the wager has been developed. The .10 super is syphoning the payouts for serious super players and this $1 bet is in response to their complaints/suggestions. As Hammerle once said on the show when asked about $1 or .50 P6's, if you lower the cost, the ability to hit soars and the reward drops.

If you listen to the show from last night, Charles and Hammer explained that they are guessing the pool in this could result in $50,000-$75,000 one day carryovers. And since Hammer writes the cards, you can be sure the nightcaps are going to be deep and competitive. Watch what happens when this goes unhit for 2 days and there's suddenly a $1,000,000 in a single race pool.


It wasn't Rick's idea. It came out in response to horseplayer focus groups that Santa Anita regularly conducts. And the depth of tickets is exactly what drives the bet...

At first blush, I'd imagine people would approach this with an exacta over trifecta mentality: a variation of Steve Crist's "double-key part wheel" approach to Superfectas that treats it as a win bet in concert with a trifecta. 2x1x4x3x2 would be a $48 ticket... (Keying is obviously another option which 'reduces' the play to a win bet in concert with a superfecta.)

The attraction of this play is going to be for the pool scoop shooters. Think of it as a single race P6... It will be a success.


There was a piece in Thoroughbred Times recently that explains the late odds changes (yet again). I'll try to find it. It has to do with the crush of wagering that comes in the last couple of ticks. Something like 70% of pools arrives in the final 3 minutes of wagering which is re-tabulated every 45 seconds. That's why you get in-race odds changes after the bells.

tell him thanks ... 10c supers killed the wager