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[HaloWishingwell]

Mr.Byk,
In my opinion you let a good opportunity go. You had Dr.Allday coming clean about what he "claims" to have seen at the barn of Rick Dutrow. Why not follow up with some detailed information. He didn't clarify anything that the public didn't know already. Dutrow has a record of violations. That was the chance to find out exactly what went on. Apparently he didn't have much good to say about Frankel as well. Didn't he work for Frankel as well? Doesn't he currently or at one time work for Pletcher? I hope for his sake he wasn't dropping bombs without proof of his own involvement. Because his work with those three characters doesn't bring out confidence in him with the bettting public. Hopefully he'll be back on the show and elaborate on "what he saw".

It's so obvious what your intentions are. One of the worst trolls ever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Mr.Byk,
In my opinion you let a good opportunity go. You had Dr.Allday coming clean about what he "claims" to have seen at the barn of Rick Dutrow. Why not follow up with some detailed information. He didn't clarify anything that the public didn't know already. Dutrow has a record of violations. That was the chance to find out exactly what went on. Apparently he didn't have much good to say about Frankel as well. Didn't he work for Frankel as well? Doesn't he currently or at one time work for Pletcher? I hope for his sake he wasn't dropping bombs without proof of his own involvement. Because his work with those three characters doesn't bring out confidence in him with the bettting public. Hopefully he'll be back on the show and elaborate on "what he saw".

What is with the red?

[TheSpyder]

Chuck,

You didn't get your 3-D glasses?

Way to go on the third place finish today...
Spyder

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Mr.Byk, In my opinion you let a good opportunity go. You had Dr. Allday coming clean about what he "claims" to have seen at the barn of Rick Dutrow. Why not follow up with some detailed information. He didn't clarify anything that the public didn't know already. Dutrow has a record of violations. That was the chance to find out exactly what went on. Apparently he didn't have much good to say about Frankel as well. Didn't he work for Frankel as well? Doesn't he currently or at one time work for Pletcher? I hope for his sake he wasn't dropping bombs without proof of his own involvement. Because his work with those three characters doesn't bring out confidence in him with the bettting public. Hopefully he'll be back on the show and elaborate on "what he saw".

I disagree that there was more to be gained by pressing the situation for further revelations. I'll repeat again that Sirius has been clear with us that they will not be tolerant of another potential lawsuit. Dr. Allday has been the featured vet for the weekly 'Horse Health Today' segment from before I started on the show, and will come on whenever asked. I think after interviewing him on more than 75 occasions, I believe have a good feel for what buttons I can push with him and which I can't. I have asked him on several occasions for clarifications of events which may have involved illegalities, and he answers with extreme caution.

You might want to note that comments like he made Friday would not come on that forum if he didn't have a certain comfort level with the show as a setting for his call. He will say exactly what he wants to say, and if I had to guess what his objective was Friday, I'd say it was to fuel further investigation into the Wild Desert affair specifically. Anything he said or alleged, he will back up with proof. He did offer his records to any authority that wants to see them...

There are few major barns that Dr. Allday has not worked with at one time or another. He works on all of the Pletcher horses.. As well as Dale Romans'. He has done work for Frankel. His comments regarding Frankel were related to him taking on the saddling responsibilities for Wild Desert in the Queen's Plate without knowing much about what was going on and that being slightly irresponsible on Bobby's part.

Appreciate you listening to the show and sharing your thoughts.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I disagree that there was more to be gained by pressing the situation for further revelations. I'll repeat again that Sirius has been clear with us that they will not be tolerant of another potential lawsuit. Dr. Allday has been the featured vet for the weekly 'Horse Health Today' segment from before I started on the show, and will come on whenever asked. I think after interviewing him on more than 75 occasions, I believe have a good feel for what buttons I can push with him and which I can't. I have asked him on several occasions for clarifications of events which may have involved illegalities, and he answers with extreme caution.

You might want to note that comments like he made Friday would not come on that forum if he didn't have a certain comfort level with the show as a setting for his call. He will say exactly what he wants to say, and if I had to guess what his objective was Friday, I'd say it was to fuel further investigation into the Wild Desert affair specifically. Anything he said or alleged, he will back up with proof. He did offer his records to any authority that wants to see them...

There are few major barns that Dr. Allday has not worked with at one time or another. He works on all of the Pletcher horses.. As well as Dale Romans'. He has done work for Frankel. His comments regarding Frankel were related to him taking on the saddling responsibilities for Wild Desert in the Queen's Plate without knowing much about what was going on and that being slightly irresponsible on Bobby's part.

Appreciate you listening to the show and sharing your thoughts.

Well then Sirius needs to put a disclamer on their show that individuals that call not to make accusations without providing some proof. I can't see how Sirius doesn't allow you to question individuals that open a can of worms like Allday did on Friday. You didn't pry these claims out of him. He voluntarily gave them without prodding and I don't see what is Sirius fear of questioning when accusations are made like that. I can only see a lawsuit happening when they make these accusations on-air without cutting them off or without providing evidence. To me it was open season at that point and without proof it was slander anyway. Sure he said his records are open but as the listening public do we really know that? Unlike SCAV'S claims, I'm like others aren't here looking for apologies. It's just people who are either fans or just in this entertainment for betting purposes who like an insider's view of what is happening to this sport or their betting money. Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations. So what's not to say Dr.Allday is not part of the problem as well and it might be sour grapes attack on Dutrow.Thanks again.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Well then Sirius needs to put a disclamer on their show that individuals that call not to make accusations without providing some proof. I can't see how Sirius doesn't allow you to question individuals that open a can of worms like Allday did on Friday. You didn't pry these claims out of him. He voluntarily gave them without prodding and I don't see what is Sirius fear of questioning when accusations are made like that. I can only see a lawsuit happening when they make these accusations on-air without cutting them off or without providing evidence. To me it was open season at that point and without proof it was slander anyway. Sure he said his records are open but as the listening public do we really know that? Unlike SCAV'S claims, I'm like others aren't here looking for apologies. It's just people who are either fans or just in this entertainment for betting purposes who like an insider's view of what is happening to this sport or their betting money. Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations. So what's not to say Dr.Allday is not part of the problem as well and it might be sour grapes attack on Dutrow.Thanks again.

Why the RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure Sirius doesn't give a damn what Steve talks about as long as it doesn't cost them money defending themselves in court.

[Riot]

Why the RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't it comforting to know you are not color blind?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Isn't it comforting to know you are not color blind?

I'm like a bull....red makes me crazy...

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Isn't it comforting to know you are not color blind?

LOL...

But yeah, why the red, it's disconcerting. And CS is going to go crazy and charge.

Riot, since you brought it up regarding vet disclosure which I completely understand, does this situation present any difficulties for Dr. Allday?
I haven't listened to the show yet, am anxious to do so, hopefully today.

[Riot]

Riot, since you brought it up regarding vet disclosure which I completely understand, does this situation present any difficulties for Dr. Allday?

There is no law within the veterinary practice act of Kentucky directly prohibiting a licensee from talking about clients, former clients or their animals and their health concerns.

From a standpoint of someone desiring to sue him for his public statements, or file a complaint with his state veterinary licensure board regarding his public conduct, revealing of privileged medical information as an ethical violation, etc., he's on his own.

Edit: obviously he feels supremely confident that will not be a concern

[Riot]

Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations.

Can you list Pletcher's problems, please?

I'm not interested in the allegations. Just the positives.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you list Pletcher's problems, please?

I'm not interested in the allegations. Just the positives.

He served 45 days for a banned substance he used up in Saratoga which is ironic. Saratoga being where three horses died on him in the same meet including LEFT BANK. Here's the banned substance story below.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=31402

[Riot]

He served 45 days for a banned substance he used up in Saratoga which is ironic.

He served 45 days for a mepivicaine positive. That's is not a "banned" substance (as cobra venom is a banned substance), mepivicaine can be and is used commonly in horses, however it cannot be administered within 7 days of a race. The level of positive found in the case in question has subsequently been allowed by the jurisdiction in question. Meaning, the jursidiction has later changed their allowable levels of mepivicaine to include the level at which Pletcher's level was deemed a positive.

It was a positive, it was upheld, he took his days.

You wrote: "Pletcher, who has had his shares of problems and allegations".

So, in Pletcher's very long training career, considering the hundreds of horses that have passed through his various barns under his and his assistants hands, what other "shares of problems" has he had?

Or is the above the only one?

Saratoga being where three horses died on him in the same meet including LEFT BANK.

Allegations are a dime a dozen. Do you rank allegations as equal with found positives?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

He served 45 days for a banned substance he used up in Saratoga which is ironic. Saratoga being where three horses died on him in the same meet including LEFT BANK. Here's the banned substance story below.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=31402

surely you aren't suggesting something untoward about left bank? he had colicked in the past, and had some of his intestine removed. a repeat attack is what killed him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

surely you aren't suggesting something untoward about left bank? he had colicked in the past, and had some of his intestine removed. a repeat attack is what killed him.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...0&subs=0&arc=1

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Well then Sirius needs to put a disclamer on their show that individuals that call not to make accusations without providing some proof. I can't see how Sirius doesn't allow you to question individuals that open a can of worms like Allday did on Friday. You didn't pry these claims out of him. He voluntarily gave them without prodding and I don't see what is Sirius fear of questioning when accusations are made like that. I can only see a lawsuit happening when they make these accusations on-air without cutting them off or without providing evidence. To me it was open season at that point and without proof it was slander anyway. Sure he said his records are open but as the listening public do we really know that? Unlike SCAV'S claims, I'm like others aren't here looking for apologies. It's just people who are either fans or just in this entertainment for betting purposes who like an insider's view of what is happening to this sport or their betting money. Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations. So what's not to say Dr.Allday is not part of the problem as well and it might be sour grapes attack on Dutrow.Thanks again.

I agree 100%.. Investigative reporting and query into a subject that has the public's best interest at heart is NEVER going to meet meaningful legal issue. Isn't Sirius a premium sevice and not as subject to FCC regulations.

The show was great but Allday was spilling the beans all you needed to do was help him lift the can higher and pour more out.

Whatever it's easy to be a monday morning quarterback and my comments are only meant as such. When live it's tough to get everything done.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about Pletcher.

Veterinary medical ethics recognizes the privileged and confidential nature of the doctor-client-patient relationship.

When Dr. Richardson at New Bolton was so forthcoming about Barbaro, it was because the owners generously gave permission to discuss Barbaro's case.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm aware of that, but since he indirectly indicted two men for whom he used to work, I thought it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Pletcher, for whom he has worked, too.

He certainly seemed to have an axe to grind against the people he mentioned.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about Pletcher.

He has unbridled respect and admiration for Pletcher as a horseman and the way Todd runs his vast operation. And says so all the time. Which should come as no surprise obviously..