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Old 10-14-2007, 08:25 PM
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Get it right...Dump. Slums is more like Yonkers...
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:29 PM
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The harness track, or the city? (Both?)
Hard to tell where one ends and the other begins...though I heard the slots palace was kinda nice
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:45 PM
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The question is whether or not this will entice owners and/or trainers to keep their horses in New York over the winter.
Not the fancy horses but may help bring in a few more outside outfits. Though the problem with attracting outfits to come to NY in the winter is the fact that NY breds make up 1/2 of the cards many days and the non NY barns rarely have many.
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:56 PM
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The increase in NY-bred races has been so noticable over the last five years.

But remember, they start with an advantage!
I hate to admit it but I own 4 NYB yearlings...
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:09 PM
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The question is whether or not this will entice owners and/or trainers to keep their horses in New York over the winter.
Think the increase only applies to the fall meet (till the end of the year.)

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I hate to admit it but I own 4 NYB yearlings...
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:17 PM
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Think the increase only applies to the fall meet (till the end of the year.)



Yeah there may be no purses as of Jan 1st
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Old 10-14-2007, 09:43 PM
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Yeah there may be no purses as of Jan 1st
Actually, I hope that's the case. Take Jan and Feb off, it'll be better for everyone...
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:53 PM
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Yeah there may be no purses as of Jan 1st
Sad but true.
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:30 PM
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I hate to admit it but I own 4 NYB yearlings...
It' OK, admitting it is the first step.
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:27 PM
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The question is whether or not this will entice owners and/or trainers to keep their horses in New York over the winter.
If they want to attract the quality 3yos they'll have to bump the purses on the Whirlaway, Gotham, and Wood to the level of the 3yo preps at Oaklawn. As long as the Whirlaway is ungraded and the Gotham doesn't have enough money to get you in the Derby they'll have a tougher time keeping top 3yos.
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:51 PM
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If they want to attract the quality 3yos they'll have to bump the purses on the Whirlaway, Gotham, and Wood to the level of the 3yo preps at Oaklawn. As long as the Whirlaway is ungraded and the Gotham doesn't have enough money to get you in the Derby they'll have a tougher time keeping top 3yos.

People are never going to leave top 3YOs in NY during the winter because of the weather.

The question is whether they can entice more people to stay in NY, because of the purses, with horses in general and thus have bigger fields ( which obviously stimulates betting and thus increases purses more down the road ). Frankly, I have no idea why people race cheaper horses in Florida during the winter.
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Old 10-14-2007, 10:55 PM
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People are never going to leave top 3YOs in NY during the winter because of the weather.

The question is whether they can entice more people to stay in NY, because of the purses, with horses in general and thus have bigger fields ( which obviously stimulates betting and thus increases purses more down the road ). Frankly, I have no idea why people race cheaper horses in Florida during the winter.
I think if the Gotham was more relevant in the graded stakes earnings picture you would see better quality horses show up. You might not get the cream of the crop but they should still be able to get some better ones up there by March.
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:15 PM
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I think if the Gotham was more relevant in the graded stakes earnings picture you would see better quality horses show up. You might not get the cream of the crop but they should still be able to get some better ones up there by March.
They've had OK horses the last few years.

It's a Graded race so the earnings count.
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Old 10-15-2007, 08:20 AM
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They've had OK horses the last few years.

It's a Graded race so the earnings count.
They count but at $200,000 the winner's share of $120,000 isn't enough to guarantee a spot in the Derby starting gate. At $300,000 it has that benefit and even at $250,000 you have a shot of getting in off that one race. Not that I'm in support of horses going to the Derby off just a win in the Gotham but it is added incentive to know you can win the Gotham, get DQ'd or have a trip from hell in the Wood, and still get in the Derby field.
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