why hard spun sucks...

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think it's highly unlikey Lava Man ships again. O'Neill should have learned that by now. I am also dubious Discreet Cat makes the race.

Here's a good question. Who runs in more races from this day to the end of the year? Discreet Cat or Rags To Riches?

Discreet Cat will get there and will probably do something similar to Ghostzapper's Met Mile and wow everyone, then they will retire him.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

Discreet Cat will get there and will probably do something similar to Ghostzapper's Met Mile and wow everyone, then they will retire him.

Here's the difference... Ghostzapper had nothing to prove to breeders at that point in his career. He was already the best horse in the world by 4-5 lengths at any distance, and unfortunately a fracture would have kept him out of training for too long as a 5yo. Discreet Cat has shown flashes of brilliance but hasn't sustained anything to justify a sky high stud fee.

[Indian Charlie]

lets see, who's more likely to race.

a filly who is already in race shape and is worth maybe 5 mil?

or a fragile colt that just had his first workout a mere 2 months before the bc, and is worth maybe 50 mil?

hmm.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Have you ever considered working for DRF or the bloodhorse? They could use insight like this.

You should at least be on those Siro's seminars.

OOOOOOOOOO

[King Glorious]

Hard Spun showed a lot of courage the other day. He's earned my respect as a horse that u have to consider at any distance under 12f. But as much courage as he showed the other day, it didn't inspire me to believe that he'd be able to hold off better horses than First Defence next time. A horse like Surf Cat or Greg's Gold would have likely run right on by while First Defence didn't. Even at 6f. Stretching him out to a mile against top classes horses wouldn't seem to be the move either because the race is an elongated sprint and would set up the same way. The Classic seems like it's the best option for him because he's more than likely to be able to control the pace and slow them down like he did in the Derby. But then I don't think he's going to beat the best 3yo's or Lawyer Ron at 10f. I see him as a horse without a race. I think he's probably best at 9f and I expect to see him dominate the KY Cup Classic, assuming Street Sense is not there. Then on to the Classic.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Hard Spun showed a lot of courage the other day. He's earned my respect as a horse that u have to consider at any distance under 12f. But as much courage as he showed the other day, it didn't inspire me to believe that he'd be able to hold off better horses than First Defence next time. A horse like Surf Cat or Greg's Gold would have likely run right on by while First Defence didn't. Even at 6f. Stretching him out to a mile against top classes horses wouldn't seem to be the move either because the race is an elongated sprint and would set up the same way. The Classic seems like it's the best option for him because he's more than likely to be able to control the pace and slow them down like he did in the Derby. But then I don't think he's going to beat the best 3yo's or Lawyer Ron at 10f. I see him as a horse without a race. I think he's probably best at 9f and I expect to see him dominate the KY Cup Classic, assuming Street Sense is not there. Then on to the Classic.

Kind of like how Surf Cat has done in his past two races?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Kind of like how Surf Cat has done in his past two races?

wow, the new sightseek!

avatar-less, sarcastic and hard edged!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Kind of like how Surf Cat has done in his past two races?

Tough crowd.

1st race was a comebacker from a 14-month layoff giving the winner a lot of weight.

2nd race was on the junk track against a grade one race winner who had an affinity for the stuff.

I understand your point though but do u really want to compare First Defence to Surf Cat here?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Have you ever considered working for DRF or the bloodhorse? They could use insight like this.

You should at least be on those Siro's seminars.

you should be receiving some pea garden flyers later this week.

[Bobby Fischer]

DC is a nice 7f horse

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

Discreet Cat will get there and will probably do something similar to Ghostzapper's Met Mile and wow everyone, then they will retire him.

Now that's a real crap shot to get a lay off horse to win a breeders cup and WOW them. I guess it will be all or nothing with Disceet Cat, my bet will be nothing.