Any Given Saturday

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually it is economically feasible for the new owners.

However, they are just interested with accumulating as many potential stallions as they can to try to one up Coolmore in the only area where they have been deficent. (other than winning the Derby)

How many mares do you need?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

How many mares do you need?

I need about 8 more but I'm pretty poor

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I need about 8 more but I'm pretty poor

well, if you are poor I hate to ask what that makes the rest of us.(me)
I was just curious what the ratio of mares to stallions were.

I think they retire horses to stud at 3 (sometimes 2) because if they go on to race at 4 they don't make the money they can as a stallion. He may prove less valuable every time he runs, risks getting beat or injured in the worse way.

a bird in the hand

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

well, if you are poor I hate to ask what that makes the rest of us.(me)
I was just curious what the ratio of mares to stallions were.

I think they retire horses to stud at 3 (sometimes 2) because if they go on to race at 4 they don't make the money they can as a stallion. He may prove less valuable every time he runs, risks getting beat or injured in the worse way.

a bird in the hand

I understand what you are saying but overpaying for a horse then using the fact that you may have overpaid and dont want to lose value as a basis for early retirement is questionable.

As Eric says in his previous post, the majority of owners cannot turn down huge sums of money but the billionaires that talk about value and such are simply bad for the game in the long run.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand what you are saying but overpaying for a horse then using the fact that you may have overpaid and dont want to lose value as a basis for early retirement is questionable.

As Eric says in his previous post, the majority of owners cannot turn down huge sums of money but the billionaires that talk about value and such are simply bad for the game in the long run.

Thanks for understanding wha I am saying. It is a challenge.

just to be clear. I was not being complmentary. I think it is a sham and agree that it is bad for racing.

Also, this is why I wonder why anyone would take a horse to a freshman sire that hasn't proven anything in the shed. How many drop from their initial offering and how many jump up like Storm Cat. Why take your horse to AGS when Distorted Humor (I think) is the one that produced AGS. Now that I have said this I am sure AGS will go on to be the leading sire of 2010.

[NoChanceToDance]

Is anyone else completely shocked that WinStar sold a decent stallion prospect? They are know for keeping their horses and standing them as stallions after they are retired.

I'm guessing the Darley offer would have to have been around $35-40million for WinStar to accept the offer, i might be wrong but it must have been HUGE for them to say yes.

He would have retired at the end of this year if either operation had ownership of him.

I'm convinced they will get Curlin asap, too. They are desperate to get the leading first season sire in America and with Hard Spun, Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, and maybe Curlin that objective looks reachable and i hope for American breeding they do it, because if they don't they will begin try to purchase every single high class 3yo until they do get a top freshman.

Their domination of the sport (as far as money is concerned) in Britain is well documented. I'm pretty sure the same tactics will soon be evident in the US, too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Is anyone else completely shocked that WinStar sold a decent stallion prospect? They are know for keeping their horses and standing them as stallions after they are retired.

I'm guessing the Darley offer would have to have been around $35-40million for WinStar to accept the offer, i might be wrong but it must have been HUGE for them to say yes.

He would have retired at the end of this year if either operation had ownership of him.

I'm convinced they will get Curlin asap, too. They are desperate to get the leading first season sire in America and with Hard Spun, Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, and maybe Curlin that objective looks reachable and i hope for American breeding they do it, because if they don't they will begin try to purchase every single high class 3yo until they do get a top freshman.

Their domination of the sport (as far as money is concerned) in Britain is well documented. I'm pretty sure the same tactics will soon be evident in the US, too.

i'm thinking lane's end for curlin, as padua is part owner, and likes to deal with that farm--that's where paduas exchange rate went. but then again, vindication went to hill n dale, so who knows?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Thanks for understanding wha I am saying. It is a challenge.

just to be clear. I was not being complmentary. I think it is a sham and agree that it is bad for racing.

Also, this is why I wonder why anyone would take a horse to a freshman sire that hasn't proven anything in the shed. How many drop from their initial offering and how many jump up like Storm Cat. Why take your horse to AGS when Distorted Humor (I think) is the one that produced AGS. Now that I have said this I am sure AGS will go on to be the leading sire of 2010.

It's a risk, but it could turn out to be very profitable. If you plan to sell the resulting colt/filly as a foal or yearling it's almost certain that you will get more if it is by a freshman. In this game it's all about taking risks with stallions, freshman sires will always be in demand.

Over in Europe, everyone is banking on Hurricane Run to prove himself. I think his yearlings will sell very very well. It seems like every mare owner wants to go to him.

[NoChanceToDance]

Has anyone heard the actual price paid for AGS?

Rumour is $50million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If that is true, it is becoming a joke.

He was worth a lot of money and you can be sure that winstar wouldn't have let him go for any less than his value and much more on top, so $50milllion might not be too far off.

You guys better hope that he or one of the others sires the Derby winner in 2011 or there will be trouble!!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

It's a risk, but it could turn out to be very profitable. If you plan to sell the resulting colt/filly as a foal or yearling it's almost certain that you will get more if it is by a freshman. In this game it's all about taking risks with stallions, freshman sires will always be in demand.

Over in Europe, everyone is banking on Hurricane Run to prove himself. I think his yearlings will sell very very well. It seems like every mare owner wants to go to him.

very true. So we get expensive freshamn sires and expensive yearlings and when they finally get to the track they are Green Monkeying all over the place

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I need about 8 more but I'm pretty poor

Your cousin is not poor.
Call a timeout and get him in the game.