Godolphin/Darley article

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Really? Then where the hell is Spanish Chestnut? What happened to Wild Fit when she got in their care? How long was Chekhov out for? Where'd Ravel go? How about Scat Daddy who they were running with bar shoes for a year? Heck, they have a $16 million horse that hasn't even made it to a race yet. How can you possibly think that Coolmore doesn't have a lot of injuries as well?

I have no idea about the American operation. That sounds more like Todd Pletcher's problem to me.

They may have many injuries, but what gets my goat about Godolphin is the perfectly good horses they buy which they either turn into nags or get them injured.

I probably get to see this much more than you guys.

What i don't understand is that when a sheikh or arab buys one of your nice horses, Premium Tap for instance...... you all go mad about it. But when i get fed up with Godolphin buying all of these good horses over here, not only that but ruining them in the process, i'm wrong for having that attitude?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I have no idea about the American operation. That sounds more like Todd Pletcher's problem to me.

They may have many injuries, but what gets my goat about Godolphin is the perfectly good horses they buy which they either turn into nags or get them injured.

I probably get to see this much more than you guys.

What i don't understand is that when a sheikh or arab buys one of your nice horses, Premium Tap for instance...... you all go mad about it. But when i get fed up with Godolphin buying all of these good horses over here, not only that but ruining them in the process, i'm wrong for having that attitude?

Pletcher didn't have the majority of those horses. Wild Fit was a perfectly good horse that they spent big money on and died in their care. Chekhov was a $3.3 million horse that could barely win a goat race. Coolmore has their share of nags and injuries just like Godolphin does.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Pletcher didn't have the majority of those horses. Wild Fit was a perfectly good horse that they spent big money on and died in their care. Chekhov was a $3.3 million horse that could barely win a goat race. Coolmore has their share of nags and injuries just like Godolphin does.

But he's so cute, dammit.

[NoChanceToDance]

I apologise if i have upset anyone in this thread.

I have been trying to get what i'm 99% sure is the truth across. Maybe when Godolphin start taking over in the U.S you will see where i'm coming from.

I respect your owners for not giving up to them, especially the smaller owners that manage to find a really nice horse every so often.

I guess i'm sick of seeing them buy everything that is in their way, just because their breeding operation cannot produce the goods anymore. I hope that now they have pruchased some good stallion prospects that the mass buying will stop, and it will encourage more owners back into the sport. I'm sick of all these good horses just 'disapearing' or all of a sudden becoming useless.

As you can tell, i'm very passionate about this subject.

I don't want to fall out with anyone over this, but i do think some of you turn a blind eye to them just because they like a number of the horses they train.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I apologise if i have upset anyone in this thread.

I have been trying to get what i'm 99% sure is the truth across. Maybe when Godolphin start taking over in the U.S you will see where i'm coming from.

I respect your owners for not giving up to them, especially the smaller owners that manage to find a really nice horse every so often.

I guess i'm sick of seeing them buy everything that is in their way, just because their breeding operation cannot produce the goods anymore. I hope that now they have pruchased some good stallion prospects that the mass buying will stop, and it will encourage more owners back into the sport. I'm sick of all these good horses just 'disapearing' or all of a sudden becoming useless.

As you can tell, i'm very passionate about this subject.

I don't want to fall out with anyone over this, but i do think some of you turn a blind eye to them just because they like a number of the horses they train.

I don't have a problem with Godolphin bashing. I don't think Shiekh Mo is particularly good for the sport since he seems too into the breeding aspect these days and it is taking good horses off the track. I think Shiekh Hamdan actually does care about the sporting aspect. I just don't understand when you start bashing them while defending Coolmore at every turn. There is no difference between the two groups to me. If anything Coolmore is worse for the game sending horses like Holy Roman Emperor and Aussie Rules to stud early and healthy. At least Bernardini I could understand the urge to retire.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't have a problem with Godolphin bashing. I don't think Shiekh Mo is particularly good for the sport since he seems too into the breeding aspect these days and it is taking good horses off the track. I think Shiekh Hamdan actually does care about the sporting aspect. I just don't understand when you start bashing them while defending Coolmore at every turn. There is no difference between the two groups to me. If anything Coolmore is worse for the game sending horses like Holy Roman Emperor and Aussie Rules to stud early and healthy. At least Bernardini I could understand the urge to retire.

I wouldn't say i have been defending Coolmore. I have just said that they don't go out buying people's horses just buying up the competition, and they run a very good business. They don't play the childish games that Godolphin/Darley have been doing. Coolmore must have been laughing when they decalred they weren't going to buy their stallion's progeny. They make their money anyway.

I was annoyed with Holy Roman Emperor, too, but after a while i realised that if they wanted to have a really successful year, they needed a good Danehill to be standing, and it was just very unlucky that it was a 2yo that was the next best Danehill they had after GW. I don't like the fact they retire good horses early, but we have to remember that almost all the big organisation race to breed these days, as there is far more money in doing things that way.

Racing is a business now, just like most sports. Coolmore (although i don't agree with what they do now and again) can run a good business and they usually only rely on their own horses (either home breds or yearling buys) rather than Godolphin that seem to have to buy everyone elses horses and they still can't compete.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I wouldn't say i have been defending Coolmore. I have just said that they don't go out buying people's horses just buying up the competition, and they run a very good business. They don't play the childish games that Godolphin/Darley have been doing. Coolmore must have been laughing when they decalred they weren't going to buy their stallion's progeny. They make their money anyway.

I was annoyed with Holy Roman Emperor, too, but after a while i realised that if they wanted to have a really successful year, they needed a good Danehill to be standing, and it was just very unlucky that it was a 2yo that was the next best Danehill they had after GW. I don't like the fact they retire good horses early, but we have to remember that almost all the big organisation race to breed these days, as there is far more money in doing things that way.

Racing is a business now, just like most sports. Coolmore (although i don't agree with what they do now and again) can run a good business and they usually only rely on their own horses (either home breds or yearling buys) rather than Godolphin that seem to have to buy everyone elses horses and they still can't compete.

I guess you really have no clue how pro-Coolmore you come off. No point in arguing it further.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I guess you really have no clue how pro-Coolmore you come off. No point in arguing it further.

Well, believe me when i say it. I am not pro coolmore. If they were doing the same as Godolphin, i would be bashing them, too...... but they don't do what Godolphin do.

I was annoyed with HRE going to stud, and at first i was disgusted, but i can see why they did it now, and although i'm still not happy with them for doing it, i can see why they did it and it will probably pay dividends for them in the long run. With GW infertile, they knew they were about to lose hundreds and hundreds in stallion fees from mare owners, and the only way they were going to limit that loss as much as possible was the replace him with the next best Danehill. I wish they hadn't and i don't agree with people sending horses to stud so early as a racing fan, but it's a business and there is much more money to be made from breeding, especially with the shocking prize money in Europe (especially England and Ireland) currently.

I wished Dubawi would have raced for another year, because i think he was still improving when he was retired, but i realised why they did it, they wanted to get the stallion fees in while he was fit and healthy. It's a shame the industry has gone like that.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Well, believe me when i say it. I am not pro coolmore. If they were doing the same as Godolphin, i would be bashing them, too...... but they don't do what Godolphin do.

You sure sound like it!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

What i don't understand is that when a sheikh or arab buys one of your nice horses, Premium Tap for instance...... you all go mad about it.

I didn't.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I didn't.

I meant in general.

I do not see the difference between that and this though. Many of you guys were disgusted about what happened with Premium Tap with the sale etc, but i can't be annoyed when Godolphin buy a number of good horses over here?

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

As far as i'm concerned i know the truth, and i suppose that is all that matters now.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

As far as i'm concerned i know the truth, and i suppose that is all that matters now.

Jesus do you have any clue how pompous and ridiculous that sounds?????

Feel like i need to kneel down now and kiss your ring or something.

You can pontificate all you like..... it doesn't make you right.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Jesus do you have any clue how pompous and ridiculous that sounds?????

Feel like i need to kneel down now and kiss your ring or something.

You can pontificate all you like..... it doesn't make you right.

oh jeez you beat me to the punch. this is what I wanted to say.

Behold everyone!! the great one has spoken and you now know the truth!!
mark it on stone tablets to preserve for all time!!

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

oh jeez you beat me to the punch. this is what I wanted to say.

Behold everyone!! the great one has spoken and you now know the truth!!
mark it on stone tablets to preserve for all time!!

[ELA]

Discussing the minutia, individual horses, what happened to them and the possible why, specifics about business models, protocols, proceedures -- or anything of the like, is an exercise in futility; basically because nobody is intimately familiar with these things. You can hypothesize, but that is based upon observations, and maybe commentary from principals or something of the like. You can formulate an opinion, however, again, that might be from afar or absent of facts, or it could be based upon limited knowledge. It certainly is not a qualified opinion.

So, there's an interesting article, obviously negative, but interesting. Also, there's another article. More positive, relatively speaking, but another article. We have all read a great deal about Darley/Godolphin/Shadwell/et al, and about Coolmore. They can both be fascinating reads. The business is what the business is, and economics are what is driving the business today.

Be that as it may, it is quite obvious that NoChanceToDance has an agenda. Whether it's an agenda, baggage, or an axe to grind, it doesn't matter -- the opinion -- and I stress opinion as opposed to fact -- is obviously not an objective one. Say what you like, but I think that is the only thing close to a fact that most people here would and could agree with.

Whether or not the ruling family of Dubai is good for the business or not, or whether or not Coolmore is good or bad for the breeding business, and all of those heated discussions -- they will all be debated time and time again.

Eric

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Jesus do you have any clue how pompous and ridiculous that sounds?????

Feel like i need to kneel down now and kiss your ring or something.

You can pontificate all you like..... it doesn't make you right.

Maybe so, but i'm pretty confident i do know the truth, especially with the information i have been given. It frustrates me because i know this information is legit.

I just really wish i could introduce you to these people, that's all.

I haven't meant to hurt or upset any of you, i'm sorry

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I meant in general.

I do not see the difference between that and this though. Many of you guys were disgusted about what happened with Premium Tap with the sale etc, but i can't be annoyed when Godolphin buy a number of good horses over here?

Anyway, it doesn't matter now.

As far as i'm concerned i know the truth, and i suppose that is all that matters now.

i'll sleep better, now that I know the truth that is.