buehrle

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Playa,how is that Contrares isn't winning at a high clip.That is a very high quality pitcher.

He just turned 60

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He just turned 60

He is about 35(unless he lies...never..right?)Well here we go now.Here are the # of runs he has gotten in support in his last 7 losses...............

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1

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He is about 35(unless he lies...never..right?)Well here we go now.Here are the # of runs he has gotten in support in his last 7 losses...............

0
3
3
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He sure looks older than 35

[Cannon Shell]

IMO, they should blow up this team. They are getting old and really are not that good. They dont have a single impact position player in his 20's, they have several guys that are in regression and they dont have a great deal of young players that are close to being impact guys. The pitching staff has logged tons of innings especially Buherle, the bullpen has been so-so and the other teams in the central are better than them and in Cleveland and Minnesota's case are signifigantly younger. Dye and Thome both should be moved for prospects though they probably wont bring much at this stage of the season. Of course if the main shopper, Yankees, are out of it by the deadline(which is very possible) the trade market will be a little tighter.
If the rumors about the new contract are true, you have to think that this a shaky move. How many pitchers blow up coming off of high inning seasons and signing big contracts? More than not. Buehrle is a quality pitcher and an innings eater but not the kind of pitcher than I would like to invest $50 mill in.

[Storm Cadet]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO, they should blow up this team. They are getting old and really are not that good. They dont have a single impact position player in his 20's, they have several guys that are in regression and they dont have a great deal of young players that are close to being impact guys. The pitching staff has logged tons of innings especially.

Damn...for a minute there I swear you were talking about the Yankees

[MaTH716]

Last weekend in the NY papers the talk was Buehrle to the Mets and Dye to the Yanks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Last weekend in the NY papers the talk was Buehrle to the Mets and Dye to the Yanks.

If I were the Mets I'd jump on Buherle. He will give them a chance to win now. I have no idea why the Yankees would want Dye, especially with a big, long contract looming for him?

[Supah Brother]

Did I mention anything about the recent sweep.

Go Cubs

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by Supah Brother

Did I mention anything about the recent sweep.

Go Cubs

Great. And while you at it, why don't you mention all your world series championships over the last 100 years.

[Storm Cadet]

Originally Posted by Supah Brother

Did I mention anything about the recent sweep.

Go Cubs

Ah yes...Goat Town USA...

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Supah Brother

Did I mention anything about the recent sweep.

Go Cubs

LOL your sorry a$4 franchise actually spends money for a change, youre still below 500 halfway through and well back in your crappy division....................and actually think ya have room to talk? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If I were the Mets I'd jump on Buherle. He will give them a chance to win now. I have no idea why the Yankees would want Dye, especially with a big, long contract looming for him?

I disagree. Pedro has started to throw BP. They have some young arms in Maine and Perez who both pitched well in the playoffs last year. Add Glavine and El Duque (Yankees and Sox fan know how good he is in the playoffs if healthy) into the mix and I think they well off. Then if you do get Pedro back you are in even better shape. I think they would be better off going for an outfielder, perhaps Dye. Because it looks like Alou is not coming back soon. Then they can make a move in the off season for a big time pitcher such as Zambrano. A possible rotation of Pedro, Perez, Maine, Glavine and El Duque is pretty formidable, add that to their solid bullpen and things are looking good for the team from Queens.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I disagree. Pedro has started to throw BP. They have some young arms in Maine and Perez who both pitched well in the playoffs last year. Add Glavine and El Duque (Yankees and Sox fan know how good he is in the playoffs if healthy) into the mix and I think they well off. Then if you do get Pedro back you are in even better shape. I think they would be better off going for an outfielder, perhaps Dye. Because it looks like Alou is not coming back soon. Then they can make a move in the off season for a big time pitcher such as Zambrano. A possible rotation of Pedro, Perez, Maine, Glavine and El Duque is pretty formidable, add that to their solid bullpen and things are looking good for the team from Queens.

If you think that Pedro is going to come back THIS year and be effective, Perez isn't going to blow up, Glavine and El Duque will stay healthy and Maine will continue to be effective I agree with you. But the chance of all those things happening are remote. It will be hard to believe that Pedro will be the same pitcher this year because very few pitchers much younger than him recover from rotator cuff surgery that quickly and are sharp and effective. Glavine and El Duque are big injury risks. If I were them I would feel alot safer having a guy like Buehrle especially in the NL where he should be a bit more effective. The key is Perez because if he throws strikes he can be dominant and he can eat innings. If he gets wild, he can be dreadful. The Mets don't need a whole lot more offense in that lineup and the fact that Dye is a right fielder, the Mets may be better off sticking with the guys they have plus Chavez when he comes back and see who is available at the deadline.

[Crown@club]

Don't touch Elbert or Kershaw.
Dodgers don't need him. They need offense. A 3B to take over and let Nomar take a hike.

[Crown@club]

Buehrle to the Cards - thats his first love. Sox better get that extension done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

Damn...for a minute there I swear you were talking about the Yankees

If you match up the Yankees and White Sox, I can only think of 2 positions where the WS are better, 1st and DH. The Yankees are also in much better shape than Chicago in terms of young players. There is no Hughes in Chicago's system. There is no Jeter or Arod in Chicago. They need to take that team apart worse than the Yankees!!!

Make you feel better?

[Storm Cadet]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Make you feel better?

Boston 48 28 .632 - 23-12 25-16 385 305 Lost 2 6-4
Toronto 38 38 .500 10 24-18 14-20 363 345 Lost 1 6-4
NY Yankees 36 38 .486 11 20-14 16-24 400 339 Lost 3 3-7
Tampa Bay 33 42 .440 14.5 19-22 14-20 366 453 Lost 2 4-6
Baltimore 33 43 .434 15 17-19 16-24 334 345 Won 1 4-6

Not really!!! But thanks for asking!

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO, they should blow up this team. They are getting old and really are not that good. They dont have a single impact position player in his 20's, they have several guys that are in regression and they dont have a great deal of young players that are close to being impact guys. The pitching staff has logged tons of innings especially Buherle, the bullpen has been so-so and the other teams in the central are better than them and in Cleveland and Minnesota's case are signifigantly younger. Dye and Thome both should be moved for prospects though they probably wont bring much at this stage of the season. Of course if the main shopper, Yankees, are out of it by the deadline(which is very possible) the trade market will be a little tighter.
If the rumors about the new contract are true, you have to think that this a shaky move. How many pitchers blow up coming off of high inning seasons and signing big contracts? More than not. Buehrle is a quality pitcher and an innings eater but not the kind of pitcher than I would like to invest $50 mill in.

Why is this a shaky move? Buehrle doesn't throw hard enough to jeopardize his arm. He has never had a lick of arm troubles, pitches 200+ innings every year, is 28 years old, is a 1 or 2 starter, is the heart and soul of this team and wants to stay in Chicago. Jerry Reinsdorf is the guy who said you never give a pitcher more than a three year contract, especially a starter. He has made an exception here. At $50 million for four years, Buehrle is a steal for a 1 or a 2. 1's and 2's that pitch 200+ innings simply aren't available unless you lose your mind and break the bank (can you say Barry Zito?). Teams hold onto them because baseball starts and ends with pitching. Even if the White Sox decided to blow up this team, they would still need front line pitching. By signing Buehrle, they keep a very strong starting pitching staff with a crackerjack closer intact. Position players are a dime a dozen in free agency. They can retool quickly with a few position signings and will contend next season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

Why is this a shaky move? Buehrle doesn't throw hard enough to jeopardize his arm. He has never had a lick of arm troubles, pitches 200+ innings every year, is 28 years old, is a 1 or 2 starter, is the heart and soul of this team and wants to stay in Chicago. Jerry Reinsdorf is the guy who said you never give a pitcher more than a three year contract, especially a starter. He has made an exception here. At $50 million for four years, Buehrle is a steal for a 1 or a 2. 1's and 2's that pitch 200+ innings simply aren't available unless you lose your mind and break the bank (can you say Barry Zito?). Teams hold onto them because baseball starts and ends with pitching. Even if the White Sox decided to blow up this team, they would still need front line pitching. By signing Buehrle, they keep a very strong starting pitching staff with a crackerjack closer intact. Position players are a dime a dozen in free agency. They can retool quickly with a few position signings and will contend next season.

You make a good case for keeping him. But wouldn't a crafty move be to send him to a contender looking to rent him for 1/2 a season then the WS can resign him in the offseason? This way they get him back and get a few needed prospects in return? I guess there is risk that he wont come back but unless you are really optimistic this team has a lot of holes that will need to be filled soon.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO, they should blow up this team. They are getting old and really are not that good. They dont have a single impact position player in his 20's, they have several guys that are in regression and they dont have a great deal of young players that are close to being impact guys. The pitching staff has logged tons of innings especially Buherle, the bullpen has been so-so and the other teams in the central are better than them and in Cleveland and Minnesota's case are signifigantly younger. Dye and Thome both should be moved for prospects though they probably wont bring much at this stage of the season. Of course if the main shopper, Yankees, are out of it by the deadline(which is very possible) the trade market will be a little tighter.
If the rumors about the new contract are true, you have to think that this a shaky move. How many pitchers blow up coming off of high inning seasons and signing big contracts? More than not. Buehrle is a quality pitcher and an innings eater but not the kind of pitcher than I would like to invest $50 mill in.

how can you call it a shaky move resigining buehrle, its the right move! hes earned the money and as youve noted he will continue to eat up innings and is a low injury risk considering the type of pitcher he is. its also the right move becuz if buehrle wasnt resigned alotta people in this town would be upset and wouldnt show up to the ballpark and would take them along time to return if ever........recall the white flag debacle. buehrle is a competitor, money will not change his ambition and he wants to be here, hes also the ace of the club and the face of the orginization so it makes sense all the way around including in a business sense for reinsdorf