Met Mile

[SilverRP]

Talk about sting. I had Political Force on top at 20/1 +. This stings much like the whip Prado put across the face of PF down the stretch!!! Damn.

[whodey17]

Sun King just doesnt have it anymore. The horse doesnt have any improvement at all in him. This is sad, as I like this horse. I didnt understand him being 7/2 in this race at all.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Sun King just doesnt have it anymore. The horse doesnt have any improvement at all in him. This is sad, as I like this horse. I didnt understand him being 7/2 in this race at all.

I misread this race. I did not think they would go 23 1/5 and 45 3/5 for the half. Since the race was that slow early it eliminated off the pacers Sun King and Silver Wagon.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Sun King just doesnt have it anymore. The horse doesnt have any improvement at all in him. This is sad, as I like this horse. I didnt understand him being 7/2 in this race at all.

Any time you post about any horse trained by Nick Zito you should include the disclaimer you offered with your previous banned name Eurobounce that you have a personal dislike for the guy. It taints everything you say involving his horses.

Anyone that knows anything about racewatching realizes two things about today's Met Mile.....one - the pace was tepid at best which hampered a deep closer like Sun King and two - a closer like him wants to move outside of horses when rallying and given his absurd ride he had absolutely no chance. However, if you are just molding your posts to suit some personal animus then I guess it is impossible to see things clearly. Or else you just have absolutely no idea how to watch a horse race.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Sun King just doesnt have it anymore. The horse doesnt have any improvement at all in him. This is sad, as I like this horse. I didnt understand him being 7/2 in this race at all.

This post would suggest that he at one time had "it". Isn't this a horse that's been racing sinc 2004 and has YET to win a grade one race? As weak as a lot of grade one's come up, he's still never won one. This is not a coincidence. Sure, he's run some helluva races with efforts that would win more than their fair share of grade ones........but then he's had plenty of opportunities against lesser fields to duplicate those efforts and finally win one and he fails to come through. Every single time. What people fail to realize is that when he comes close to winning, as in last year's Suburban and Met, it's because the winners were running less than their best, not because he ran so great. Good horse. Talented horse. But in his fourth year of racing, with as many chances as he's had......he's just not a grade one horse. Even winning one of these watered down events this year will not change that fact. Winning a grade one doesn't make u a grade one horse.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This post would suggest that he at one time had "it". Isn't this a horse that's been racing sinc 2004 and has YET to win a grade one race? As weak as a lot of grade one's come up, he's still never won one.

Do you want to guess what percentage of horses racing since 2004 have won a GR1? Its minute. What is the obsession everyone seems to have with determing who is and isn't a "true GR1" caliber horse? And if there were some objective definition for a "true" GR1 horse, how many Gr1 races are we going to fill if only "true" gr1 horses are entered?

I personally have no problem with a horse trying over and over in tough grade one spots with only occaisonal on the board appearances. I like the determination, the effort, the hope for that sought after big win.
You said even if Sun King wins a Gr1, he will still not be a "true" Gr1 horse. Why don't you just admit you don't like Sun King? There are plenty of other horses that fit this same description that you never talk about.
It always Sun King and Jazil that you keep trying to make these absurd distinctions about.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's understandable as in your old moniker Eurobounce, you talked s hit about Zito. But why shouldn't he have been 7/2, who should have been bet more?

Not saying someone should have been bet more. Saying that 5 or 6 to 1 in more logical. And this is well stated by Declans.

[declansharbor]

Hit the exacta (keyed PF in 2ne and 3rd) and had 5$ ATB on PF (my value play)... Hope some people cashed some tickets..Great race...

[SilverRP]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Hit the exacta (keyed PF in 2ne and 3rd) and had 5$ ATB on PF (my value play)... Hope some people cashed some tickets..Great race...

Very nice, congrats!!

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SilverRP

Very nice, congrats!!

Thank you. I just didn't understand how Sun King could go off at 7/2 and Political Force (better than SK last out) could go off at odds of over 20-1. Would have been foolish of me to not take a stab with those odds. I know SK's last was a prep for this one, but I just saw PF as a playback.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I just didn't understand how Sun King could go off at 7/2 and Political Force (better than SK last out) could go off at odds of over 20-1.

I guess the discrepancy in the odds probably had a lot to do with the fact that Sun King has a heart the size of the Belmont grandstand......and his famed steely resolve is the reason for his popularity with so many.

In all seriousness, High Finance could have won this race at a fat price....if only he'd been entered.

[todko]

They only ran .10 faster than the $46k allowance horses the race before. Pretty sad.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by todko

They only ran .10 faster than the $46k allowance horses the race before. Pretty sad.

The race before it was on a different surface.

However, it was just 0.71 seconds faster than an N2X ALW race earlier on in the card.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Thank you. I just didn't understand how Sun King could go off at 7/2 and Political Force (better than SK last out) could go off at odds of over 20-1. Would have been foolish of me to not take a stab with those odds. I know SK's last was a prep for this one, but I just saw PF as a playback.

I agree 100%. I was expecting something like 5 or 6 to 1 on Sun King and about 10-1 on Politcal Force.

[hockey2315]

By the way- Chatain would've crushed this field. . .

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SilverRP

Talk about sting. I had Political Force on top at 20/1 +. This stings much like the whip Prado put across the face of PF down the stretch!!! Damn.

Feel for ya...Tough beat

[cmorioles]

As predicted, I think an actual rabbit could have done a better job as the rabbit than that slow sprinter.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

As predicted, I think an actual rabbit could have done a better job as the rabbit than that slow sprinter.

It's hard to fail as being a rabbit, but Mr. Umphrey accomplished it.

[cmorioles]

Shouldn't the jock have just been all over him down the backside? It didn't seem like he was really trying to get him to go that fast.

Interesting thread about Corinthian back in January. Some opinions changed completely in the span of 4 months.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8910

Arguably the most improved horse in the history of the game? Something to ponder.