Calvin's ride

[whorstman]

I thought was even better than the Derby. He made some amazing thread the needle moves and man, I thought he had it. Much credit to Curlin and Robby. Great race all around.

[PeteMugg]

... or if he doesn't stop whipping to see who's coming, he might have won the race.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

... or if he doesn't stop whipping to see who's coming, he might have won the race.

100% WHAT I thought and still think

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

... or if he doesn't stop whipping to see who's coming, he might have won the race.

I didn't catch that. I guess it's possible. He may have thought he had it in the bag and glanced back long enough to let Curlin clip him. The ride to get into position was a thing of beauty though.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

... or if he doesn't stop whipping to see who's coming, he might have won the race.

I thought the same at first....but the horse was clear by quite a few lengths....and simply hung....had nothing to do with Borel not whipping for about 1 second.

[2MinsToPost]

It sure seemed to me that he was acting "sure of himself" on NBC before the race.

Did he pass Curlin and say, "game over" and then look back to see how bad he was beating the competition to only let up on Street Sense enough to get beat?

After all, on Friday Calvin was "confident".

[randallscott35]

I thought his ride was great.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

It sure seemed to me that he was acting "sure of himself" on NBC before the race.

Did he pass Curlin and say, "game over" and then look back to see how bad he was beating the competition to only let up on Street Sense enough to get beat?

After all, on Friday Calvin was "confident".

CP....he quitting hitting the horse for MAYBE 1 second. The horse hung all by himself.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GPK

I thought the same at first....but the horse was clear by quite a few lengths....and simply hung....had nothing to do with Borel not whipping for about 1 second.

Kev, I hear ya, but when the difference between 1st and 2nd is about an inch, maybe the 1 second turn of the head to look over at Curlin may have cost him the race. I still can't believe he did not win.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by GPK

I thought the same at first....but the horse was clear by quite a few lengths....and simply hung....had nothing to do with Borel not whipping for about 1 second.

its not a good sign seeing him look over like that. I'd rather see my jock worry whats behind after the line. most of the time, he'll get away with it, but on a big stage like this and history on the line, it's going to be a talking point..

[2MinsToPost]

I am thinking about the timing of when he quit asking, how far from the line.

No big deal to me, I was done from a gambling aspect after Race 10 but.......
but.....................

He may have moved a bit early. But why not. We saw the turn of foot in the Derby. We saw it again. It is exciting to see two very good horses this year both uninjured I hope.

[PeteMugg]

I'm no rider, but I'd think the horse feels the rhythm of the jock. When that rhythm stops, horse relaxes a bit. Besides, it's not like he had to make up a couple of lengths.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

I'm no rider, but I'd think the horse feels the rhythm of the jock. When that rhythm stops, horse relaxes a bit. Besides, it's not like he had to make up a couple of lengths.

You and I agree and I think from the outside that that move, albeit slight, was the move that lost the race for the simple reason that it happened so close to the target, the finish line.

[GPK]

I understand what you guys are saying....but IMO...I don't think it was enough to make a difference. The better horse won today.

Reverse the trips....and Curlin wins by 2+ lengths.

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by GPK

I thought the same at first....but the horse was clear by quite a few lengths....and simply hung....had nothing to do with Borel not whipping for about 1 second.

Is the definition of hanging gaining the lead and thinking your clear and relaxing too early?

Cause I just didn't see that GP, it just looked like he got caught at the wire, happens all the time. Curlin is a really talented horse and deserves all the credit. They both ran a winning race. NOT like the 6th at Churchill where I had a $16 horse pay 5.80 on a dead heat

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whorstman

Is the definition of hanging gaining the lead and thinking your clear and relaxing too early?

Cause I just didn't see that GP, it just looked like he got caught at the wire, happens all the time. Curlin is a really talented horse and deserves all the credit. They both ran a winning race. NOT like the 6th at Churchill where I had a $16 horse pay 5.80 on a dead heat

Bro....look at the race from the turn home through the finish. SS had Curlin by the nuts....and quit.

Like I said a couple posts ago...reverse the trips....and it is not a race.

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by GPK

Bro....look at the race from the turn home through the finish. SS had Curlin by the nuts....and quit.

Like I said a couple posts ago...reverse the trips....and it is not a race.

I suppose, but damn, my point to the post was the ride to get there. Did the man not navigate a masterful race to hit the stretch? It's a shame if he let up slightly and got clipped. Only he knows for sure. You cannot deny he flat threaded the needle a couple of times where a lot of jocks would not have the balls to do so.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by whorstman

I suppose, but damn, my point to the post was the ride to get there. Did the man not navigate a masterful race to hit the stretch? It's a shame if he let up slightly and got clipped. Only he knows for sure. You cannot deny he flat threaded the needle a couple of times where a lot of jocks would not have the balls to do so.

Oh no....I would never question that ride.....the ride was fine. Just happens the better horse won today.

[PeteMugg]

Guess we'll never know for sure, but if I'm the owner I say you get paid to ride your best gate to wire. That's two in a row he wants to see what's behind him. He needs a rear view mirror.