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[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

SS's connections made no excuses. They had a clean trip, just weren't good enough today.

That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

[randallscott35]

They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.

Fantastic race, I think it was a fast time as well...did I hear 1:53.1?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Fantastic race, I think it was a fast time as well...did I hear 1:53.1?

The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

Let's not forget Xchanger too. LOL

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Let's not forget Xchanger too. LOL

Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

Yep, they set a blistering pace.

I'm still smarting over Hard Spun... Pino moved him way too soon... the colt was rating.

[pmayjr]

Another point- Borel was asked if he made his move on SS too early. He didn't IMO. Not that I think it mattered much, but Pino on Hard Spun definately did.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well Bloodhorse has 22.82, 45.75, 1:09.80, 1:53.20, Thoroughbred Times says 1:53.40...either way a very fast race, equals stake record I think...

I'm confused now. I mean they said 2/5 so Bloodhorse probably just slapped the .20 up there but was it really .40 even or was there a hundredths change in there? And that means Street Sense effectively almost got it himself and I think would've if he hadn't hung grrrr. He's tied with Louis Quatorze and Tanks Prospect if Curlin got it.

What was Secretariat's "real" time? I thought it was such that he probably would've had it but they won't credit him with the numbers due to the time malfunction.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The track was fast for sure, but it was a legit time....Flying First Class going back in Cargo after that race.

Classic line. Hell, I'd say even that is too good for him. Greyhound anyone?

[Merlinsky]

Was this finish the result of Pino moving too soon indirectly? Street Sense got in front sooner than he might've since Hard Spun wasn't still holding on and Curlin had time to catch back up when SS hung but would that've happened had he been behind just a fraz longer?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's exactly what I saw. Going into the BC Juvenile, I wrote that I was concerned about his ability to finish as in both of his races at 8f or further, he had showd ground lost in the final eighth. In the Arlington race, he was second by a head at the 8th pole and ended up 3rd, beaten 1 3/4 lengths at the wire. The DRF comment says "no winning bid". In the Keeneland race, he had surged to the lead and led by a length at the 8th pole only to flatten out and finish 3rd, beaten 1 3/4 lengths. The DRF comment for that race says "weakened". I didn't expect that explosive late kick in the BC and didn't expect it in the Derby either.

And today, he did it again.

[XIIPointStables]

Great race. Great win for Curlin.

Would have rather seen Calvin not turn around in shock in the final jump. God that annoyed me.

Finish.

But take nothing away from Curlin. Passes and then comes back. Just awesome.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

They both ran terrific. End of story. It was a head bob. They are the 2 best 3yr olds. Let's hope they are around for their 5 year old season. A great race to watch.

Couldn't say it any better. It was a true run race, unlike most Ky Derbies. Hats off to the connections of the top 3 finishers for having there horses ready to run back in 2 weeks. I doubt all 3 will come back for the Belmont, but we'll see.

[XIIPointStables]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Can't say whether it made a difference.........
but Borel turning his head, to check for Curlin so late in the stretch, doesn't make sense to me.
Excellent race to watch.
I didn't watch the '89 Preakness live. So I have to compare this one to the '97 Preakness finish.
Same top 3 as Derby. Now some people should consider laying off Pletcher, since no one else has a 3yo to crack these three either.

Agreed on the head turn. In a head bob race, that could have meant the world.

Wagering wise I would not have had it either way, as I tossed HS. But I keep rewinding the DVR and that turnaround is killing me.

One one hand, a showdown in the Belmont would be a great headliner.

On the other, I'm openly rooting for a Triple Crown Winner.

Curlin was amazing. I think Borel messed up. Thats all I got.

[MaTH716]

Great run by Curlin, especially after stumbling after the start. I personally thought he was a toss this race. I give him all the credit in the world. I look foward to watching him race in the future. As far as SS, you can not take anything away from him. He ran very well again. Missed going to Belmont by a nose. Was he moved early? Not sure, but he was beat by a very good horse.

[GenuineRisk]

The execs at ABC must be piiiiiiiissssed. Especially with the Derby ratings having been up this year to begin with.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

First Merlinsky,
You're talkin like a bridge-jumper. Sorry you singled SS on top.

I was just sayin SS wasn't good enough TODAY (go back and read it, it's clearly what it says). 2nd, both Nafzger and Borel in interviews after the races said they had no excuses. 3rd, comin around the final turn neither were blocked and neither were extremely wide. They had clean runs going into the stretch (and down the stretch). Whether SS got lazy or not, he got beat TODAY.

I'm not branding one better than the other for the rest of their careers. Hopefully they both go to Belmont, or run later in the summer for many many re-matches to come. Let's hope greedy ownership doesn't send them to the shed before the BC. Just gimme that for both please...

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

First Merlinsky,
You're talkin like a bridge-jumper. Sorry you singled SS on top.

I was just sayin SS wasn't good enough TODAY (go back and read it, it's clearly what it says). 2nd, both Nafzger and Borel in interviews after the races said they had no excuses. 3rd, comin around the final turn neither were blocked and neither were extremely wide. They had clean runs going into the stretch (and down the stretch). Whether SS got lazy or not, he got beat TODAY.

I'm not branding one better than the other for the rest of their careers. Hopefully they both go to Belmont, or run later in the summer for many many re-matches to come. Let's hope greedy ownership doesn't send them to the shed before the BC. Just gimme that for both please...

I was at Pimlico and had a nice view from the apron...Street Sense has this race won and as mentioned above, has no excuses but those of his own doing. After the race I wondered if this gazing at the crowd was such an issue, why not throw a shade on his inside eye? Splitting hairs, but something I am curious about.

Give credit to the winner, you almost never see a horse get passed in the stretch (and somewhat convincingly) and then see them surge back to win. SS had a bit to do with it, but Curlin was better on the day.

[todko]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

SS got lucky in the Derby. He had a dream trip while Curlin had a nightmare ride.

Street Sense had nothing left.

Curlin didn't hang -- he motored by and tied the Preakness record. A better jock and he would have been the Derby champ too.