Librarians, Keepers of the Liberty

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

What you say isn't correct ... far from it ... and it's also very condescending ... I seriously doubt that many males or females of African, Asian, or Native American descent would want to switch to whiteys if they were given the choice of doing so.

And even if it were true that white males somehow have an advantage ... let's hypothesize that it is ... so? So what? What profound conclusion are we supposed to draw from it?

P.S. I didn't say you were a leftist ... I just advised you not to intellectually associate with or be swayed by them.

If you seriously do not believe this is correct, I cant help you.

Conclusion... are you kidding me?
Conclusion: In this country, at this time, it is an advantage to be white and male. I'll go further. White, male and Christian. And its very clear why this is so. In fact I bet you can answer it yourself. (hint)Who wrote the Constitution? Another hint. They were not black Hindu females.

Our frikkin country was and still is largely run by white, male Christians. If it is not so, TELL ME WHAT ETHNIC GROUP WOULD YOU MOST WANT TO BE IN ORDER TO REALIZE THE FULL BENEFITS OF THIS COUNTRY?

Lets see here. Lets go thru a minor political office, the Presidency... uhmmm I count how many black females... I count how many white males. GET IT?

Other posters help me with this. Is this Repent pulling my chain?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If you seriously do not believe this is correct, I cant help you.

Conclusion... are you kidding me?
Conclusion: In this country, at this time, it is an advantage to be white and male. I'll go further. White, male and Christian. And its very clear why this is so. In fact I bet you can answer it yourself. (hint)Who wrote the Constitution? Another hint. They were not black Hindu females.

Our frikkin country was and still is largely run by white, male Christians. If it is not so, TELL ME WHAT ETHNIC GROUP WOULD YOU MOST WANT TO BE IN ORDER TO REALIZE THE FULL BENEFITS OF THIS COUNTRY?

Lets see here. Lets go thru a minor political office, the Presidency... uhmmm I count how many black females... I count how many white males. GET IT?

Other posters help me with this. Is this Repent pulling my chain?

Pgardn, do you think that people who are not white-male-christians are all sitting around the US lamenting their sad lot in life, saying to themselves "Oh how great it would be if I were born a white man". It's condescending if you ask me.

Also I think the advantage now goes to the educated and the hard working. A degreed black female that is ambitious has advantages over a standard white male slacker type that has no ambition.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Pgardn, do you think that people who are not white-male-christians are all sitting around the US lamenting their sad lot in life, saying to themselves "Oh how great it would be if I were born a white man". It's condescending if you ask me.

Also I think the advantage now goes to the educated and the hard working. A degreed black female that is ambitious has advantages over a standard white male slacker type that has no ambition.

Jim, you're 100% correct.

The United States is a meritocracy ... no one "runs" it ... and anyone who has the wisdom and fortitude to create wealth can be enormously successful. Americans don't care if the person who designed and built their office chair was male or female, European or African or Asian. They just want the chair to be comfortable and affordable.

Opportunity for success exists in abundance for all ... unfortunately so does opportunity to whine and moan about how successful other people are.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Pgardn, do you think that people who are not white-male-christians are all sitting around the US lamenting their sad lot in life, saying to themselves "Oh how great it would be if I were born a white man". It's condescending if you ask me.

Also I think the advantage now goes to the educated and the hard working. A degreed black female that is ambitious has advantages over a standard white male slacker type that has no ambition.

Here is how I see it. All other things being equal, hardworking, intelligent, etc... the probability of experiencing the max. benefits in this country would go to... white males. I will add this is MUCH less a factor than it used to be. But it is still true. If it is not, give me the ethnicity and sex of a person, all other things being equal, that has a better chance. I have put out this challenge, and no hermaphrodites of Haitan descent have come forward and claimed that they have a clear advantage of experiencing the max. benefits this country has to give.

Take a gander at corporate America, Political offices, etc... places of what many would consider power.

Really everyone ask themselves why everyone of our presidents has been white and male, and most professed Christians. Its not numbers, there are just as many females as males...

I see this as profoundly obvious, no matter how distasteful it is.

And Bold One I really mean PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS.

Hey lets do horses... The people who really run the industry. Owners, trainers, and breeders. I guess they are mostly females of Pacific Island descent.

What most people dont like is not what I have stated; Its what the implications of this very obvious observation means. And to this I have made one comment. It has lead to devisivness that has led to some really unfair situations in other areas.

The example I gave then said that White kids now get the shaft when being accepted to colleges. I have seen over and over again first hand.

And the Bold one then cautioned me in his sage way about not falling into the leftist camp. Oh Boy....If I am on the left, there is a large vacuous right.

Sorry if I call em like I see em. Its the pattern recognition thing that often comes when one is trained in a particular area that requires it. I make broad generalizations. And in this case, I am pretty sure I have a clear pattern looking at the History and the present day of our country.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Here is how I see it. All other things being equal, hardworking, intelligent, etc... the probability of experiencing the max. benefits in this country would go to... white males. I will add this is MUCH less a factor than it used to be. But it is still true. If it is not, give me the ethnicity and sex of a person, all other things being equal, that has a better chance. I have put out this challenge, and no hermaphrodites of Haitan descent have come forward and claimed that they have a clear advantage of experiencing the max. benefits this country has to give.

Take a gander at corporate America, Political offices, etc... places of what many would consider power.

Really everyone ask themselves why everyone of our presidents has been white and male, and most professed Christians. Its not numbers, there are just as many females as males...

I see this as profoundly obvious, no matter how distasteful it is.

And Bold One I really mean PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS.

Hey lets do horses... The people who really run the industry. Owners, trainers, and breeders. I guess they are mostly females of Pacific Island descent.

You keep saying the same thing over and over again ... but you still haven't told us what your point is.

You seem obsessed by race and ethnicity and who has "power" and who has the "benefits" ... but you never tell us what they are and why they're important ... and what's so insufferable about life in the United States for people who aren't "white" males ... and where life would be better for them.

You mention the minor sport of thoroughbred racing as being a "white" stronghold ... but you don't mention the three major sports of baseball, football, or basketball.

Please ... please ... tell us what profound point you're trying to make.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You keep saying the same thing over and over again ... but you still haven't told us what your point is.

You seem obsessed by race and ethnicity and who has "power" and who has the "benefits" ... but you never tell us what they are and why they're important ... and what's so insufferable about life in the United States for people who aren't "white" males ... and where life would be better for them.

You mention the minor sport of thoroughbred racing as being a "white" stronghold ... but you don't mention the three major sports of baseball, football, or basketball.

Please ... please ... tell us what profound point you're trying to make.

Where in any post did I mention the insufferable life in the US? WHERE? You my friend took my observation and placed what YOU thought was a point I was trying to make. The only manifestation of my observation mentioned was the reverse discrimination example I gave.

JEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. There is no other point for God sakes. It is a terribly obvious OBSERVATION. Do you refute it? Or what? What is your point? Does Gravity have a point? Does the speed of light have a point? Does pi have a point. NO. It just is.


And what a horrible example with the sports... Who are the OWNERS of the big 3 sports? Do you actually think the employees make more money than the owners? Is this what you are implying?

You are digging yourself a terribly large hole with your agenda.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Where in any post did I mention the insufferable life in the US? WHERE? You my friend took my observation and placed what YOU thought was a point I was trying to make. The only manifestation of my observation mentioned was the reverse discrimination example I gave.

JEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. There is no other point for God sakes. It is a terribly obvious OBSERVATION. Do you refute it? Or what? What is your point? Does Gravity have a point? Does the speed of light have a point? Does pi have a point. NO. It just is.


And what a horrible example with the sports... Who are the OWNERS of the big 3 sports? Do you actually think the employees make more money than the owners? Is this what you are implying?

You are digging yourself a terribly large hole with your agenda.

OK ... at last ... I finally get it ...

... your posts are like the Seinfeld show ... they're about nothing.

That's fine with me ... no problem whatsoever ... I can dig it.

Gotta say nighty-nite now ... hang in there, good buddy.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

OK ... at last ... I finally get it ...

... your posts are like the Seinfeld show ... they're about nothing.

That's fine with me ... no problem whatsoever ... I can dig it.

Gotta say nighty-nite now ... hang in there, good buddy.

Actually maybe they were but they revealed a heck of a lot about you. You dont answer questions posed to you. You misrepresent what I have posted and what others have posted. And that you are a little quick with your assumptions. Careful. There are some people that will call you out when you step too far.

So in conclusion: In this country, white males have had and still have (albeit not as great as in the past) a greater PROBABILITY of experiencing the full benefits our society has to offer compared the opposite sex and other ethnic groups. I made a provacative observation that you dont like but cannot refute.
I would say nighty nite also if I got boxed in.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Here is how I see it. All other things being equal, hardworking, intelligent, etc... the probability of experiencing the max. benefits in this country would go to... white males. I will add this is MUCH less a factor than it used to be. But it is still true. If it is not, give me the ethnicity and sex of a person, all other things being equal, that has a better chance. I have put out this challenge, and no hermaphrodites of Haitan descent have come forward and claimed that they have a clear advantage of experiencing the max. benefits this country has to give.

Take a gander at corporate America, Political offices, etc... places of what many would consider power.

Really everyone ask themselves why everyone of our presidents has been white and male, and most professed Christians. Its not numbers, there are just as many females as males...

I see this as profoundly obvious, no matter how distasteful it is.

And Bold One I really mean PROFOUNDLY OBVIOUS.

Hey lets do horses... The people who really run the industry. Owners, trainers, and breeders. I guess they are mostly females of Pacific Island descent.

Yes, so far the presidents have all been white and male. That will change in the next twenty years or so, in my opinion we'll see a women and possibly a black or hispanic president. Where is the big conspiracy with regard to keeping the president white? How does it work? I thought the president was elected by all the people, all races and genders. Since there are more women then men, why don't they just elect a women for president? There are a lot of women and minorities out there pulling the lever in the voting booth for white males.

Question: what are the maximum benefits that you refer to that this country offers? I didn't know that there are different benefit packages. I'm a white male and I think I may have missed the line where they were handing out these maximium benefits that others don't get.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yes, so far the presidents have all been white and male. That will change in the next twenty years or so, in my opinion we'll see a women and possibly a black or hispanic president. Where is the big conspiracy with regard to keeping the president white? How does it work? I thought the president was elected by all the people, all races and genders. Since there are more women then men, why don't they just elect a women for president? There are a lot of women and minorities out there pulling the lever in the voting booth for white males.

Question: what are the maximum benefits that you refer to that this country offers? I didn't know that there are different benefit packages. I'm a white male and I think I may have missed the line where they were handing out these maximium benefits that others don't get.

Since I do not know what you do Arljim I will explain what I do. I now teach Physics. I use to work in a Molecular Biology lab. I have done a little computer programming on the side for people in business when personal computers were first getting started and was offered numerous jobs. If I had been born black instead of white I am sure I would have not had the same offers in any of these adventures. Positive. And there is much more, but it is all ancedotal.
So all the opportunities that have come your way... it would not make a difference what color or sex you are?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Since I do not know what you do Arljim I will explain what I do. I now teach Physics. I use to work in a Molecular Biology lab. I have done a little computer programming on the side for people in business when personal computers were first getting started and was offered numerous jobs. If I had been born black instead of white I am sure I would have not had the same offers in any of these adventures. Positive. And there is much more, but it is all ancedotal.
So all the opportunities that have come your way... it would not make a difference what color or sex you are?

So your teaching position was just handed to you when there were equally qualified people of color and women applying for the same position?
In my case I know I definitely earned my pay and position. I don't know why a person of color couldn't have done the same.

I have a technical position in the private sector. I have not witnessed the type of discrimination that you claim is the norm across the country. The people that cut it work hard, have good attitudes, and have skills.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So your teaching position was just handed to you when there were equally qualified people of color and women applying for the same position?

Now its gonna get interesting. This could lead down a path where the answers will vary widely. We might get down to the Why. And this will illustrate some very different views.

There were no applicants of other ethnic groups for Science positions. None. Zero. In fact, sitting in on interviews with applicants for science positions for about 12 years now, the vast majority of these applicants are clearly white and male. Females on the rise however.
I have seen zero black applicants. I have never been on a faculty with a black science teacher. The approximate racial breadown of the students in these schools would be 40% Hispanic, 40% White, 20% Black. The school I teach at presently (a burb school) would go about 55% White, 35% Hispanic, 10% Black. The Schools I have taught at average about 3000 students. The current school well over 3000 students.

Interesting pattern. In fact in all my upper division and graduate level science courses (these were small classes at a very large institution, University of Texas) there were zero black students... I get the Newsletter from the school of Natural Sciences at UT. They give you an update on the diff. graduate students and professors and what they are researching. Zero black students. Zero black professors. More females than my day. My GUESS is there are no black applicants for faculity or graduate students.

Why the obvious discrepancy in numbers? Black people hate science?