Street Sense Not For Me....

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

His trip was nearly identical in the Juvenile with Street Sense's until the top of the stretch. That is when SS stayed on the rail, and CQ went wide. It is important to remember, and has already been pointed out on here that CQ was defeated by 10 in the Juvenile. I can forgive a few lengths for going wide, but not 10 lengths.

You know....the funny thing to me is that the same people..maybe not you DaHoss will be quick to excuse Street Sense's race in the Lexington but will be very very very quick to rave about his 10 length win in the Juvenille.
Now, with that said...Street Sense will be on many of my tickets...He's an outstanding horse and yes they did have similar...not identical trips in the Juvenille. Street Sense stayed on a Lightning quick rail. circular Quay went wide. No..that does not excuse 10 lengths...but my original comment on this thread....(Go back and look) was one of my tickets will definitely be a Juvenille Boxed exacta.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

With all due respect there is a big difference between winning a race by 10 lengths and losing by a nose. I really don't think the Bluegrass needs an excuse. Between you and Estreet you'd think he lost by 10. He was beat a nose. His 10 length win needs to be brought up because it is what it is. A 10 length win in the Juvenile against many of these.

So its Ok for Street Sense to beat Great Hunter in that same race by 12 1/2
lengths and then a few weeks ago beat Great Hunter by only 2 1/2???
Also Street Sense beat Scat Daddy, Stormello, Tuflesberg, and many others that day. Horses do improve there Dahoss. Watch the Oddsboard very closely. Also I'm not knocking Street Sense's performance in the Lexington.
Just I tend to look at the facts.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Not to change the subject...but I mention that Sumwons 2nd Sunday was my K-Derby????

Love the debate here...more civil than "outright" attacks on the horse and it's connections.

Carry on...

[Scurlogue Champ]

I can definitely see why people are all over Street Sense and I wouldn't have to try very hard to make a case for him myself.

It is my feeling that he isn't a standout at this point.

If he is on Saturday, I was very wrong.

I felt the same way about SNS last year, didn't include him on any bets.

But I also bet a bunch on Lawyer Ron to win, and that didn't turn out too well.

The odds say the same thing will happen this year with CQ, but I'm still backing him. He is the one I have landed on and I'm sticking with it.

If 'Sense has a clean trip... the horse that finishes fourth will have been beaten roughly a sixteenth of a mile! BBB

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

First off it was the Bluegrass, I'm anal I know but at least get the name of the race right that we are talking about. But I don't get your point. Are you discounting Street Sense because he only beat Great Hunter by 2 1/2 this time and not 12? What about the Breeders Futurity last October that Great Hunter won? You must have had a field day after that race. I assume you didn't have him in the Juvenile though, as he lost in the race before.

You seem to think that these are machines and they run the exact same everytime. Sorry, doesn't work that way.What facts are you looking at that I am not? My take on the poly races is they are very difficult to gauge. How much a horse is defeated on them isn't as important to me as how a horse ran. Evidence of this was the Breeders Futurity last year at Keeneland. I understand horses improve, but who has improved in your eyes, because I don't see it. What exactly am I looking for on the oddsboard? A clue? I am really having a hard time figuring out you and your buddies point. Maybe it's me, but what exactly is your point? That Street Sense is beatable? No sh*t.

I guess my point DaHoss...is and for probably for the 7th - 8th time...I'm not discounting Street Sense one bit. You are simply saying that CQ can't get the distance and that I should also discount CQ because he lost by 10 lengths to Street Sense and of course this awful 8 week layoff. This is gambling and I'm telling you that I'm ignoring the eight week layoff. I'm also telling you that he will be better than he was in the Juvenille.(A race by the way..he had a tough trip. Where he was "steadied" and "was pinched back at the start". He had a powerful close in the HOPEFUL....Had to avoid a fallen horse in the RISEN STAR and still somehow finished 5th....Looked very professional in the LOUISIANA DERBY. I'll bet my horses and you will bet your horses....that's why it's called Pari-Mutual betting. Therefore...I think he will run well in the KENTUCKY DERBY. Good Luck.

[fpsoxfan]

No fight here man. Just stating a case for CQ. You've been the one getting all jumpy. And talking down? I don't really feel I need to talk down to anyone. Sorry if you feel that way. I'll listen to anyone...but please remember how this whole situation started, which I must say...You eventually decided to enter into....My original post which was to my good friend Estreetposse was... I'm going to make sure I have an Exacta Box with Street Sense and CQ. After that, some posts were coming like crazy about CQ. Obviously I lost track of who said what. Look at my past posts I don't get in these pissing matches very often. In fact I've stayed right out of the Derby Debate. Enough Said.

[AeWingnut]

Does anyone remember what Carl Nafzger was doing on May 5th say 17 yrs ago?

May 5th's past winners

2001 Monarchos
1990 Unbridled
1979 Spectacular Bid
1973 Secretatriat

just a little trivia

[Scurlogue Champ]

I just had a 90 minute argument with a buddy of mine over Street Sense/Circular Quay.

I think it is going around...like the flu.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Does anyone remember what Carl Nafzger was doing on May 5th say 17 yrs ago?

May 5th's past winners

2001 Monarchos
1990 Unbridled
1979 Spectacular Bid
1973 Secretatriat

just a little trivia

Kissing some old lady and hopefully not frenching a 10 yr old kid?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Kissing some old lady and hopefully not frenching a 10 yr old kid?

ha

man

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