Comely - G2

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I love Fee Fi Fo Fum here and did even before I saw she was trained by Jerkens. Ran third last out to horses who came back to run 1st and 4th in the Ashland in her first dirt start.

You know I was hyping Boca Grande before she ever started but I think she's been horrifically overrated over that slow stakes win. Not that she couldn't improve here but she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race. We going to have a Cinderella/Jack and the Beanstalk Oaks exacta?

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

I watched the replay of the race tonight and thought the same thing, although the comments in the DRF say 'unlucky' trip in the Bonnie Miss. No where did I see her lose momentum.

[SOREHOOF]

Being from Contessa is exactly why I can't toss em.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Being from Contessa is exactly why I can't toss em.

Yeah, but he's had this crew for a while and they are decidedly mediocre and overmatched tomorrow.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I watched the replay of the race tonight and thought the same thing, although the comments in the DRF say 'unlucky' trip in the Bonnie Miss. No where did I see her lose momentum.

Yeah, I watched it a few times last night, looking for the phantom trouble from the chart line. I'm glad I'm not the only one that missed it. I think there is a tendency to find trouble in trips where horses are being held behind other horses especially in the pocket, where the horse is very visible, down the backstretch.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, I watched it a few times last night, looking for the phantom trouble from the chart line. I'm glad I'm not the only one that missed it. I think there is a tendency to find trouble in trips where horses are being held behind other horses especially in the pocket, where the horse is very visible, down the backstretch.

This was a great example of one of those moments where you learn by doing your homework.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

This was a great example of one of those moments where you learn by doing your homework.

That's why watching replays is great.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not sure I would elevate the Bonnie Miss because of the results of the polytrack Ashland. First of all, the easy winner was a very mediocre 4th with the second finisher a dream trip winner. But, mostly using two different surfaces to legitimize ( or minimize ) one of the races seems tricky at best.

Fee Fi Fo Fum had an absolutely perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss and did, at most, a negligible amount of running. I don't understand how you can say about Boca Grande, who at least ran OK in winning the Demoiselle, " she hasn't shown me anything yet to include her on my ticket with the likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum in the race " when the " likes of Fee Fi Fo Fum " seems, at best, to be fair.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Boca Grande's chances tomorrow, but as of now she is a far more accomplished horse than Fee Fi Fo Fum. Maybe that will change, but right now that's the case.

I've only capped this on the basis of the Brisnet figures so the Beyers may paint a very different picture but in the Brisnet number Boca Grande is very slow. I've watched Get Ready Bertie be drastically overbet this year when she looked terrible on the Brisnet figures and now I expect the same with Boca Grande. We'll see who comes out on top tomorrow but I'll be betting it is FFFF or the Pletcher filly and most definitely not Boca Grande (despite the fact that I like her a lot).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I've only capped this on the basis of the Brisnet figures so the Beyers may paint a very different picture but in the Brisnet number Boca Grande is very slow. I've watched Get Ready Bertie be drastically overbet this year when she looked terrible on the Brisnet figures and now I expect the same with Boca Grande. We'll see who comes out on top tomorrow but I'll be betting it is FFFF or the Pletcher filly and most definitely not Boca Grande (despite the fact that I like her a lot).

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

[SOREHOOF]

The more I look at Desire to Excel the more I like her. 2nd start after 9 mos. on the bench might be a good play. If she runs back anywhere near her 2yo she will be tough. Just curious about the track condition.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

I think Fee Fi Fo Fum could get beat tomorrow just because it is too short and it is one turn. I'm just hoping she runs well enough to go onto the Oaks cause I think she'd have a great shot there of at least hitting the board at long odds. Desire to Excel just screams sprinter at me and I won't be playing her. I agree that Lost Etiquette is dangerous.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think Fee Fi Fo Fum could get beat tomorrow just because it is too short and it is one turn. I'm just hoping she runs well enough to go onto the Oaks cause I think she'd have a great shot there of at least hitting the board at long odds. Desire to Excel just screams sprinter at me and I won't be playing her. I agree that Lost Etiquette is dangerous.

The Kentucky Oaks? Are you serious? That's seems like a virtual impossibility. Not a Jimmy Jerkens type move. Plus, she would be WAY out of her league. I suppose if she runs well tomorrow he would consider the Black Eyed Susan.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The Kentucky Oaks? Are you serious? That's seems like a virtual impossibility. Not a Jimmy Jerkens type move. Plus, she would be WAY out of her league. I suppose if she runs well tomorrow he would consider the Black Eyed Susan.

We'll have to see. Rags to Riches is really the only scary horse going there. If she can run well at a one turn mile I think she'd fit in very well at the Oaks. She is bred to run all day so if she can show some speed tomorrow then look out. Jerkens isn't scared to bring a horse back in three weeks either. I'd be fine with the Black Eyed Susan but if she runs well enough at a mile I think she'd fit in just fine at the Oaks.

[blackthroatedwind]

Fee Fi Fo Fum has run two career races and neither is particularly good and you are talking about her like she's done something noteworthy. I don't understand.

[ateamstupid]

Winning Point gets a class hike, but there aren't any monsters in here and I think she can run big.

[SniperSB23]

Nice call on Boca Grande BTW, FFFF was strung wide but stunk the place up.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Winning Point gets a class hike, but there aren't any monsters in here and I think she can run big.

she ran huge at those odds, i had boca grande to win and i cannot belive i recived 3-1 on her....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not singing Boca Grande's praises, but right now she is more accomplished than Fee Fi Fo Fum, and am inclined to use neither tomorrow. Personally I'm interested in Lost Etiquette though if the track is playing like Friday it definitely elevates Perfect Forest and Desire To Excel.

Getting some good odds so far on the other two...

[SniperSB23]

Wound up boxing 3,7,8 in the exacta and tri. Wussed out on singling FFFF on top at 3/1, just not enough value at less than her optimal distance, around one turn, on a track that may be kind to speed.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Getting some good odds so far on the other two...

I am a bit surprised at the betting in this race.