No Wood for Circular Quay

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

i dont think he will win, that was before this annoucment and the ravel injury.... even with ravel and circular quay i did not think this was his year

[blackthroatedwind]

So, Circular Quay is supposed to be ready for the Derby off an eight week layoff and essentially one real effort this year?

Excuse me for thinking something's rotten in Denmark.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, Circular Quay is supposed to be ready for the Derby off an eight week layoff and essentially one real effort this year?

Excuse me for thinking something's rotten in Denmark.

Hard Spun's options have been left extremely wide open as well (skip Derby or train up to it)...but we can all rest easy tonight knowing that Sedgefield may get his earnings in on Friday and therefore be in the gate the first Saturday in May.

[blackthroatedwind]

I am dubious of Sedgefield's chances Friday.

[zippyneedsawin]

this sucks.

[blackthroatedwind]

It actually makes the Wood a better race as Circular Quay was going to be dramatically affected by the lack of pace.

I hope Circular Quay isn't being kept out of any preps in order to enhance the chances of another Pletcher horse getting enough earnings for the Derby. To rob fans of matchups of top horses because he is training too many good horses is a very unfortunate price for racing to pay and a bad indicator for the future.

[cal828]

Have no clue about whether CQ is hurt or not, but sending AGS to the Wood doesn't sound like the worst plan. He seemed likely to have another gut-wrencher against Street Sense or Great Hunter in the Blue Grass and might not have gotten enough graded money to go on to the Derby. I thought it was nuts to send him to the Blue Grass in the first place. Could be wrong and usually am, but I think he will romp in the Wood.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by cal828

Have no clue about whether CQ is hurt or not, but sending AGS to the Wood doesn't sound like the worst plan. He seemed likely to have another gut-wrencher against Street Sense or Great Hunter in the Blue Grass and might not have gotten enough graded money to go on to the Derby. I thought it was nuts to send him to the Blue Grass in the first place. Could be wrong and usually am, but I think he will romp in the Wood.

romp over nobiz ? he will be lucky to win

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, Circular Quay is supposed to be ready for the Derby off an eight week layoff and essentially one real effort this year?

Excuse me for thinking something's rotten in Denmark.

BINGO!

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

i'd say 50-1

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i'd say 50-1

Are you booking that?

[whodey17]

Quay has plenty of foundation so that is the only good thing. The Derby just isnt a good race for Quay with or without a race leading up to the Derby. He would have to pass 19 other horses and that just doesnt happen. I havent liked the handling of Quay at all this spring. I think the LA route was the wrong thing to do.

You have the SA Derby, Illinois Derby, Bluegrass, Arkansas Derby and the Coolmore left to get your graded money. So there are plenty of races left for Pletchers horses to try to get their needed money.

[PPerfectfan]

Well I am a getting.....getting off the CQ bandwagon right now. 8 weeks? never gonna happen. I wouldnt be shocked to see an announcement soon. dang.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Quay has plenty of foundation so that is the only good thing. The Derby just isnt a good race for Quay with or without a race leading up to the Derby. He would have to pass 19 other horses and that just doesnt happen. I havent liked the handling of Quay at all this spring. I think the LA route was the wrong thing to do.

You have the SA Derby, Illinois Derby, Bluegrass, Arkansas Derby and the Coolmore left to get your graded money. So there are plenty of races left for Pletchers horses to try to get their needed money.

Giacomo didnt have to pass 19 of em but he sure passed most of em... I'll never forget the first time I saw the blimp view, Mike Smith was movin that horse boy...Its a shame Rose let up on Alex for we would have another tc winner... O well , the mystique continues

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Are you booking that?

maybe

[King Glorious]

I shouldn't have to start with this but on these boards, sometimes it's necessary.......I'm sure Pletcher knows his horses better than I do. Now, having said that, I don't like this at all. I'm not too concerned about the layoff. In today's game, it's just not as big a deal as it used to be. Used to be that u could count out all of the horses using only two preps because 90% of the field had three. Not this year. A couple of contenders will be coming in with only two so it's not as big a disadvantage now. I believe that Notional and Scat Daddy are the two biggest obstacles for Circular Quay to have to beat in the Derby.....and both of them will be coming in off of a five week layoff, which everyone said couldn't be done......until last year. So the game has changed and along with it, many old "rules" are being changed also. So the layoff is not a huge concern. Of course, it's not ideal but it's not that big a deal to me. What I find of greater interest is the fact that they had a plan for Any Given Saturday and now they are changing it, leading me to believe that he will be one work short for this race. I think this is going to be the last time we see this horse this year.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I shouldn't have to start with this but on these boards, sometimes it's necessary.......I'm sure Pletcher knows his horses better than I do. Now, having said that, I don't like this at all. I'm not too concerned about the layoff. In today's game, it's just not as big a deal as it used to be. Used to be that u could count out all of the horses using only two preps because 90% of the field had three. Not this year. A couple of contenders will be coming in with only two so it's not as big a disadvantage now. I believe that Notional and Scat Daddy are the two biggest obstacles for Circular Quay to have to beat in the Derby.....and both of them will be coming in off of a five week layoff, which everyone said couldn't be done......until last year. So the game has changed and along with it, many old "rules" are being changed also. So the layoff is not a huge concern. Of course, it's not ideal but it's not that big a deal to me. What I find of greater interest is the fact that they had a plan for Any Given Saturday and now they are changing it, leading me to believe that he will be one work short for this race. I think this is going to be the last time we see this horse this year.

Another hard race for AGS. He's toast now. Brilliant plan. Send a short horse to a race that's supposed to be easier and he still doesn't crack the top two. How much did he earn today? Great plan. I'm glad as hell that it blew up in their faces.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Another hard race for AGS. He's toast now. Brilliant plan. Send a short horse to a race that's supposed to be easier and he still doesn't crack the top two. How much did he earn today? Great plan. I'm glad as hell that it blew up in their faces.

75k.

how much did he need? more than that, then yeah, the plan blew up.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What are the odds that Pletcher doesn't win the Derby with any of his hopefuls???

There is a bet I would be looking to put some action on.
He isn't winning the Derby.

That said, I hope CQ is okay, and can run somewhere, someplace again.