Top 5 Derby horses at this point

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Withers

Hey KG, given how VERY right you've been before, I'll mark your words on CQ and Notional. With SJ, however, it was easy for even the idiots among us to see the talent from waaaaaay before the Rebel (although mind you, some TRUE idiots continued to insist he couldn't stay until he was in the gate at CD). With CQ, on the other hand, I've watched the LA Derby and I still couldn't get excited about him, 102 Beyer aside...

That said, I'll heed your opinion on these two...

I'm not sure how long you've been reading this forum, but as a public service to you let me just say that KG has been wrong on occaison. I would suggest some restraint before locking in a large derby exacta future wager, if there even is such a thing.

[Withers]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I'm not sure how long you've been reading this forum, but as a public service to you let me just say that KG has been wrong on occaison. I would suggest some restraint before locking in a large derby exacta future wager, if there even is such a thing.

Now don't you fret: my few pennies go nowhere near the racetrack, so I won't be running off to the windows anytime soon, on KG's or anyone else's advice I've merely been lurking on this and previous fora long enough to remember KG being quite a soothsayer back in the day...and defending SJ adamantly back when LOADS of people were still saying that he wouldn't run worth a dime against non-Oaklawn competition or past a mile...Has he been wrong since? No doubt. Still, credit where credit is due, and I'm still waiting for him to correctly pick the next Derby winner again already by February (ok, so he's running a bit late if he's right)

[blackthroatedwind]

Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

Morning line fave was The Cliff's Edge, but Smarty went in the gate as the favorite.

[Withers]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Smarty Jones was the favorite in that Derby....wasn't he?

Yeah, he was on the day, but Smarty definitely wasn't the favorite back in February when KG insisted to forum members that he would win the Derby...shucks, KG, I'm probably embarassing you, right?

Anyway, for anyone who remembers, it was certainly KG's moment of glory and thus my regard for his picks, even if they all can't be as good...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Withers

Yeah, he was on the day, but Smarty definitely wasn't the favorite back in February when KG insisted to forum members that he would win the Derby...shucks, KG, I'm probably embarassing you, right?

Anyway, for anyone who remembers, it was certainly KG's moment of glory and thus my regard for his picks, even if they all can't be as good...

this board wasn't around back then unfortunately and his record of selections has tailed off it would seem from that illustrious moment of glory.

He is more known around here for calling Invasor a fraud, that would not even hit the board in the Breeders Cup. When Invasor returned in the Donn he said that due to the layoff he would finish no better than third.

Oh yeah, he basically guaranteed that Bernardini would break Secretariats track record for 10 panels in the Breeders Cup.

After the Las Virgenes he came on to claim that he was not impressed by Rags To Riches and that she beat nothing. This is when everyone was going gaga over how she won despite being 5-6 wide on both turns. Then when she beats the same horses with a better trip he now says she should go to the Kentucky Derby. One of the quickest reevaluations in history.

I'm sure these are just the highlights, if you do some research you'll come up with many other juicy nuggets. I'm just hitting the high spots.

But I'll give him credit for the Smarty pick, I was not on his bandwagon early on, until the Derby win that is.

[Withers]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this board wasn't around back then unfortunately and his record of selections has tailed off it would seem from that illustrious moment of glory.

He is more known around here for calling Invasor a fraud, that would not even hit the board in the Breeders Cup. When Invasor returned in the Donn he said that due to the layoff he would finish no better than third.

Oh yeah, he basically guaranteed that Bernardini would break Secretariats track record for 10 panels in the Breeders Cup.

After the Las Virgenes he came on to claim that he was not impressed by Rags To Riches and that she beat nothing. This is when everyone was going gaga over how she won despite being 5-6 wide on both turns. Then when she beats the same horses with a better trip he now says she should go to the Kentucky Derby. One of the quickest reevaluations in history.

I'm sure these are just the highlights, if you do some research you'll come up with many other juicy nuggets. I'm just hitting the high spots.

But I'll give him credit for the Smarty pick, I was not on his bandwagon early on, until the Derby win that is.

Well, maybe his picks have worsened since 2004 on the previous board... All I know is that in 2004, he was on the money early, early...and I wish I had supported the sport that year by betting big time...but since when doesn't watching horseracing also entail support of the sport? If there were more fans watching horseracing, believe me: the Smarty Jones of the world and their connections would be earning huge amounts of dosh on *endorsements* (not just at stud) and Yum! wouldn't be able to afford to sponsor the KD. (And I lie: I do bet -- modestly -- and lose plenty at the track. I mean that I don't wager through any offtrack facility). I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise. People also bet on March Madness, but they are mad about the teams. Horseracing needs more people who are mad about the sport, period, and for whom the betting is a sideline.

[Grits]

Miss, Ms, Sir, whatever salutation is valid, you may watch horseracing, but you know absolutely not one whit about what is required to keep this sport alive. NOT ONE. This is a sport that, unlike football, baseball, etc, will not survive through spectatorship and fans that only watch and talk.

It is an INTERACTIVE SPORT ONLY MADE POSSIBLE BY MONEY BEING CHURNED THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF PARI-MUTUEL WAGERING.

And after you come to understand this, to know that wagering is the entire lifesblood of this game, maybe you will rethink coming here to tell everyone what this sport needs is betting taken away from it as its contributing to its demise.

Your comments, those that I have made bold indicate you, truly, are clueless as to the infrastructure of this sport. And maybe new to it, as well. So, with that in mind, let's talk more, when you know how the game works.

Done on this one.

Originally Posted by Withers

Well, maybe his picks have worsened since 2004 on the previous board... All I know is that in 2004, he was on the money early, early...and I wish I had supported the sport that year by betting big time...but since when doesn't watching horseracing also entail support of the sport? If there were more fans watching horseracing, believe me: the Smarty Jones of the world and their connections would be earning huge amounts of dosh on *endorsements* (not just at stud) and Yum! wouldn't be able to afford to sponsor the KD. (And I lie: I do bet -- modestly -- and lose plenty at the track. I mean that I don't wager through any offtrack facility). I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise. People also bet on March Madness, but they are mad about the teams. Horseracing needs more people who are mad about the sport, period, and for whom the betting is a sideline.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Withers

I personally believe the emphasis on betting (yes, it does support the sport currently) is contributing to its demise.

Not to pile on, but this is about as confused and incorrect opinion as I've read, and considering some of the nonsense in this thread that's saying quite a lot.

What, pray tell, should the industry emphasize on THAT PROVIDES THE MONEY THAT SUPPORTS THE GAME?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Withers

Now don't you fret: my few pennies go nowhere near the racetrack,

If I fret, its because you don't support the sport, not because of what a poster stated years back.

Horseracing doesn't continue today on those that choose to watch, never putting any money through the windows.

Please tell me that you don't like SLOTS. If so, I'll be ok, I'll cope better. LOL

[Withers]

Originally Posted by Grits

If I fret, its because you don't support the sport, not because of what a poster stated years back.

Horseracing doesn't continue today on those that choose to watch, never putting any money through the windows.

Please tell me that you don't like SLOTS. If so, I'll be ok, I'll cope better. LOL

I don't like slots at all.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Withers

I don't like slots at all.

Me either... every time I play them, I lose all of my money!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Me either... every time I play them, I lose all of my money!

I lose all my money on sluts too....