Anyone See the Risen Star?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I agree. If CQ gets through the hole on the rail cleanly(and that's a big if), I think he finishes at least 2nd and possibly even wins it. He was about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry until that horse in front of him went down. I just hope CQ didn't hurt himself trying to avoid that mess.

How exactly does one KNOW that a horse stymied in traffic was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry "?

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How exactly does one KNOW that a horse stymied in traffic was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry "?

oh, where was the word KNOW in that sentence? Since he did pass all but 4 of the horses by the end of the race anyway, I think it's safe to ASSUME he would have.. you know what his PPs look like, CQ has done that in every other race he's run.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

oh, where was the word KNOW in that sentence? Since he did pass all but 4 of the horses by the end of the race anyway, I think it's safe to ASSUME he would have.. you know what his PPs look like, CQ has done that in every other race he's run.

You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

c q..1 more on the t- pleach....this is gonna be a great horse list..with the amount of stock this guy has to play with ..he gets to have the luxury of totally f ing them up and then return them to races at will..under there real level of comp..after they have been spotted well over there head intially..and no one says **** about it//

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

I really don't think you can make a definitive statement about him being a closing sprinter just yet. Granted the best race of his life was a sprint and he is now 0 for 3 around two turns I still want to see one more. That's just me though and I can easily see how one would be a little over him now.

I want somebody to mention how Appealing Zophie went faster than Notional today. Maybe I'm the only one who really wasn't impressed with Notional's race.

NT

Intrigued by the ongoing fascination with inside suckup trouble trips.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

You could have 'inferred' that I assumed that as well.

Just to poke fun back at you, please explain:

How exactly does one KNOW a horse Circular Quay is a 'closing sprinter" when he 1) ran his first route on Poly, 2) passes all but 1 horse in his 2nd attempt (were the other 12 all decelerating?) , 3) is 'stymied' in his latest route race?

Seriously, he may end up being exactly that, but I can't conclude that yet.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

You could have 'inferred' that I assumed that as well.

Just to poke fun back at you, please explain:

How exactly does one KNOW a horse Circular Quay is a 'closing sprinter" when he 1) ran his first route on Poly, 2) passes all but 1 horse in his 2nd attempt (were the other 12 all decelerating?) , 3) is 'stymied' in his latest route race?

Seriously, he may end up being exactly that, but I can't conclude that yet.

I basically rely on " knowing " things in this game before they are obvious to everyone else. That's the only way to make money in this game.

One could excuse his polytrack effort if it hadn't been backed up by his BC two turn effort. Since they were both similar I doubt it was the polytrack that caused him a problem. Is that absolute? No, but it makes more than reasonable sense.

I am assuming you are kidding about the BC. Have you watched it? Looked at the chart perhaps? He lost by TEN lengths. More horses finish ninth that lose by ten lengths than finish second. It's pretty fair to assume those behind him were collapsing. And, you know what? They were.

The truth about Circular Quay is that while he's certainly a very nice horse he has never done anything of note. His wins have been moderately fast and the result of unbelievably good setups. A better way to label him would be " better closing sprinter than two-turn router but not exceptional at either ".

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I am assuming you are kidding about the BC. Have you watched it? Looked at the chart perhaps? He lost by TEN lengths.

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I assume you know better than that. CQ lost by 10 lengths yes, but if Street Sense and CQ's trips are reversed, you very well know the distance would be much closer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I assume you know better than that. CQ lost by 10 lengths yes, but if Street Sense and CQ's trips are reversed, you very well know the distance would be much closer.

They had almost identical trips. Street Sense's was better but not by very much.

[lemoncrush]

I'm not holding the race against CQ at all.
After getting completely jammed at the rail, stopping when the jockey flew off the horse like a ragdoll (still can't believe he rode and won the next race), veered all the way outside and finished full of run tells me that he's more than just a closing sprinter. I'm not ready to proclaim him the Derby winner, but I'm not ready to toss him, either.
I was just peeved because I had CQ keyed with the 8-10-12, but didn't bet it without him involved. That was an extremely nice trifecta payout all things considered.
Anyone know where they're going to point CQ to next?