kip devile 9/2 vs. showing up 6/1

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its absolutely impossible. He may not be the best gambler, and by his own admission he isnt a good handicapper. But noone alive on this planet knows more about watching horses train and understanding works and traning like Joe. Hes relied upon by all the names I mentioned earlier to tell THEM how THEIR horses are doing. Imagine that? Guys who have won all three legs of the tri crown, trained champs, etc call him to see HOW HE THINKS their horses are doing. Trust me boldruler, you are talking out of your ass on this one.

No good trainer goes asking clockers how their horse is doing. They know. I remember for the Derby my friend telling me how the clockers didn't even pick up one of Barbaro's works. These clockers are good at what they do, but unless they know what a trainer wants out of the work it is pointless. Also, clockers at belmont see a horse work over the turf one day a week, on Sunday mornings. If it was dirt I would say the clockers know their stuff, but turf works are so rare that no clocker could give an honest opinion on how a horse worked. Showing Up has completely different action on the turf, not the same horse as on the dirt.