Secret Oath

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Andy is probably the most misunderstood person Ive ever come across. I’m sure you’d agree Freddy, as you actually know him.

The reality is, a lot of the people that “dislike” him are jealous morons that think they can do what he can do. They can’t. It’s an extremely difficult job and to maintain the level he does is just as hard. He NEVER mails it in.

All the reasons why I respect his handicapping ability. Way back in the day I reached out to Andy and asked for his help with a TVG shift I was doing that involved harness racing. He COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been more GRACIOUS and HELPFUL.

To this day we have NEVER met or spoken face to face.

But OTHER people have told him I'm a bad guy. So it must be true.

It's not.

I refuse to go there about him. I'm a man and will draw my own conclusions.

My admiration for his work ethic, love of our sport and willingness to help teach horse players will always supersede the nonsense he spews about me.

He knows NOTHING about me.

You HOSS don't exist. You're words on a page that has never done anything in this industry and never will.

You're a desperately ANGRY guy that ONLY finds solace from the demons when rejoicing in other people's human frailties and failures.

The fact that you can even think you're part of any discussion about anything between ANDY SERLING and VIC STAUFFER is a testament of just how delusional you truly are.

You're a sad bug that people wipe off their windshields.

ANDY is an accomplished respected member of our industry who has put his heart and soul into making it better.

I've dedicated the last 40 years of my life trying to do the same.

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

You've never mattered before and you damn sure don't now.

Don't worry. Something terrible will happen to someone today.

There's your root. Good luck.

Dead heat between CYBERKNIFE and SMILE HAPPY.

Would LOVE to know what Andy thinks.

You?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

All the reasons why I respect his handicapping ability. Way back in the day I reached out to Andy and asked for his help with a TVG shift I was doing that involved harness racing. He COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been more GRACIOUS and HELPFUL.

To this day we have NEVER met or spoken face to face.

But OTHER people have told him I'm a bad guy. So it must be true.

It's not.

I refuse to go there about him. I'm a man and will draw my own conclusions.

My admiration for his work ethic, love of our sport and willingness to help teach horse players will always supersede the nonsense he spews about me.

He knows NOTHING about me.

You HOSS don't exist. You're words on a page that has never done anything in this industry and never will.

You're a desperately ANGRY guy that ONLY finds solace from the demons when rejoicing in other people's human frailties and failures.

The fact that you can even think you're part of any discussion about anything between ANDY SERLING and VIC STAUFFER is a testament of just how delusional you truly are.

You're a sad bug that people wipe off their windshields.

ANDY is an accomplished respected member of our industry who has put his heart and soul into making it better.

I've dedicated the last 40 years of my life trying to do the same.

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

You've never mattered before and you damn sure don't now.

Don't worry. Something terrible will happen to someone today.

There's your root. Good luck.

Dead heat between CYBERKNIFE and SMILE HAPPY.

Would LOVE to know what Andy thinks.

You?

SHARP POST

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

Since you're in full meltdown mode and will probably disappear for months after this in hopes no one will remember....could you explain my "threats" before you slither away?

Thanks in advance!

SECRET OATH'S run in the Preakness was a mirror image of her race in the Arkansas Derby.

She's VERY good but not the type to beat the best boys of her class.

IMO it was a massive mistake to run back on 2 weeks rest off the big effort of the Oaks.

Some will say, hey take a shot against colts she can always go back to running against fillies. As though these horses are Hot Wheels.

They are perishable commodities with a finite number of chances to shine on the largest stage.

[Dahoss]

I’m holding out on my opinion until I see if Jerry Brown still thinks she’s a generational talent.

[RolloTomasi]

I guess if her running line was a mirror image of the AR Derby, then she probably got another piss poor ride. Nothing like sitting last off a slow pace and making a 5-wide attempt to swoop the entire field with nearly a 1/2 mile to run.

Owner already was quoted as saying the filly was getting time off win, lose, or draw at the Preakness, so it's not like this race in particular will derail her campaign. She's supposed to target the CCA Oaks and Cotillion (owner doesn't think she wants 10 furlongs). Plenty of time to recover from her 4th place, $99K effort in a classic.

At any rate, I like the reproach for those who would treat horses like toy cars, but in the next sentence define horses as "perishable commodities".

Not so much Hot Wheels as Meals on Wheels...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I guess if her running line was a mirror image of the AR Derby, then she probably got another piss poor ride. Nothing like sitting last off a slow pace and making a 5-wide attempt to swoop the entire field with nearly a 1/2 mile to run.

Owner already was quoted as saying the filly was getting time off win, lose, or draw at the Preakness, so it's not like this race in particular will derail her campaign. She's supposed to target the CCA Oaks and Cotillion (owner doesn't think she wants 10 furlongs). Plenty of time to recover from her 4th place, $99K effort in a classic.

At any rate, I like the reproach for those who would treat horses like toy cars, but in the next sentence define horses as "perishable commodities".

Not so much Hot Wheels as Meals on Wheels...

Not one of Saez's better efforts. It was like he thought, "this worked on Ethereal Road so...."

In his slight defense, she checked back to last when Happy Jack came over on her going into the first turn.

Either way, she's a really nice filly. Maybe even best of her class. But she's not good enough to beat the better males this year and is nothing close to being a generational type talent.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Not one of Saez's better efforts. It was like he thought, "this worked on Ethereal Road so...."

In his slight defense, she checked back to last when Happy Jack came over on her going into the first turn.

Agreed; it wasn't really a mirror image as the filly was shuffled back to last mid-race at Oaklawn rather than in the initial stages like yesterday.

Either way, she's a really nice filly. Maybe even best of her class. But she's not good enough to beat the better males this year and is nothing close to being a generational type talent.

Personally I think her running style of big sweeping (and ultimately unsustainable) moves is a bit of an impediment (similar to many of Abel Tasman's races), but maybe the owner is right regarding her perceived distance limitations.

I wonder how'd she fare if they brought her back off the freshening in the 7-furlong Test instead of the CCA Oaks a couple of weeks earlier.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

SECRET OATH'S run in the Preakness was a mirror image of her race in the Arkansas Derby.

She's VERY good but not the type to beat the best boys of her class.

IMO it was a massive mistake to run back on 2 weeks rest off the big effort of the Oaks.

Some will say, hey take a shot against colts she can always go back to running against fillies. As though these horses are Hot Wheels.

They are perishable commodities with a finite number of chances to shine on the largest stage.

She absolutely can go back to running against fillies and probably could find a weak enough field of males that she can do well against.

The running back on two weeks isn't the issue. Good horses can do that. If I was going to put any thought into an excuse, it would be the total number of races so far this year. But I wouldn't even use that. Good horses can do that too. Hell, even cheap horses can do this. Don't let these new school trainers fool you into thinking that the horses need months off between races. They don't. She just wasn't good enough.