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Old 09-11-2019, 08:00 PM
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This is some interesting stuff. The jimson weed argument is shady at best. The levels were pretty high to be food contamination. I think Buffett is a pretty straight guy so this is perplexing.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:28 PM
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I think Buffett is a pretty straight guy so this is perplexing.
You do? He had 7 horses drop dead out of nowhere.

He either has the worst luck ever or he’s really good at deceiving.
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Old 09-12-2019, 05:30 AM
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This is some interesting stuff. The jimson weed argument is shady at best. The levels were pretty high to be food contamination.
Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:10 AM
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Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/
300 ng/ml is pretty excessive to be caused by eating jimson weed mixed in feed. If I get some time later I’ll looked over the metabolism profile better.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:50 AM
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Matt Hegarty's piece with extensive commentary from Arthur: https://www.drf.com/news/california-...=top-headlines
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:01 AM
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Even if Baffert and his connections are 100% innocent the CHRB and the connections were not transparent at the time of the positive test and now has the feel of a cover up
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:57 AM
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Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/
The overage isn’t the big issue here, although I find it hard to believe if the horse was trained by someone else and won a maiden claimer that he wouldn’t have been DQ’d. 4 times the legal limit is a lot. Just more bad luck for Baffert I guess.

The issue is the coverup. Let’s assume the overage is contaminated feed. Why was everything handled in the dark? Why did it take an article from Drape, who I don’t think many would defend, 15 months later for people to find out? When a regulatory board operates that way it should concern everyone. What else is being handled like that we don’t know about?
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:03 AM
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One other thing. In 1994, five trainers had horses test positive at the same time. I didn’t be need to be Columbo to deduce that was most likely contaminated feed.

How is it possible that just one horse, ironically a horse with a lot to gain, would be contaminated? Bad luck I guess.
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How is it possible that just one horse, ironically a horse with a lot to gain, would be contaminated? Bad luck I guess.
Because there wasn't just one horse?

“I 100 percent stand by my recommendation to dismiss these cases,” Arthur said, referring to what he said were multiple findings of scopolamine in horses that were tested around the same time as the 2018 Santa Anita Derby.
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Old 09-12-2019, 08:43 AM
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Because there wasn't just one horse?

“I 100 percent stand by my recommendation to dismiss these cases,” Arthur said, referring to what he said were multiple findings of scopolamine in horses that were tested around the same time as the 2018 Santa Anita Derby.
I missed that part. My bad.

Were all of the others 4 times the legal limit? Oh that’s right, we don’t know because Arthur, et al covered it all up.
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