Done till Spa. F horse racing

[moses]

Probably deserved to be brought down. He not only impacted War of Will but possibly Long Range Toddy as well.

For a while, I thought he wouldn’t come down because I’ve seen worse stay up and because it’s the derby. But I can’t really object to it. I also had a wager on country house to win...so I’m a little biased. The biggest reason I honestly thought the only reason he wouldn’t come down is because of it being the derby. Normal race? Id expect him to come down.

[freddymo]

Well Steve is happy this will make for great radio

[ScottJ]

This will require watching the replays about a dozen more times to understand what happened to my choices during the race (5-8-16), but there are some facts on which we have to agree:

[1] Maximum Security came out from the 2-path to the 5-path heading into the stretch.

[2] War of Will was throwing his legs trying to avoid the leader and actually placed his left front hoof between the legs of Maximum Security in the 4-path.

[3] Maximum Security dove from the 5-path back to the 2-path and tightened the path of Code of Honor on the rail.

At the end of the arguing, Maximum Security was all over the track. As horse players, this community should be damned grateful that War of Will did not go down as it would have taken at least five others down.

Forget about the horses and jockeys which is everso important, but can you imagine the media outrage that would follow from the casual observer?

It is time for the Kentucky Rodeo to return to a reasonable horse race. This 20 horse attack needs to be rethought. Exciting? Sure. About time to enforce straight lanes for all participants.

[ACGord]

Full disclosure. I was live in the Pick-4 on two tickets with the 7. It's my worst beat ever and I think it was a bullshit takedown. I'll look at it tomorrow with a little clearer head but maaaaaan that's a tough beat.

[LITF]

Oh man...it is 100% a bullshit take down. And I fell bad for you. But **** that guy. I am glad they took him down. It’s bullshit when the game is compromised at this level. Can’t wait to play Game Winner back.

[LITF]

I'm glad they took this piece of **** horse down...**** him and **** that horse...

[wild barry]

I had two pk4 also. Its going to take awhile to put this in to past. I'm sure I be ready to play next Saturday.

[richard burch]

I think some consideration should have been applied to War Of Will trying to thru a hole that wasn't there. However MS did veer out. I think by rule they had no choice.

Only question now is "Does Saez retain the mount?"

[Bruinguybry]

Im a newer (ex fan) of horseracing I've been following this site and this bullshit game since 2015 (full disclosure i needed maximum security to hit the P5 and nice oaks/derby double) I'm done with horseracing for good now. I loved it, i taught myself how to the read the forms, i go-to keeneland every April and October since 2016. I told evryone i had at my house that they were taking the horse down as soon as Mott started chirping. They didnt want servis winning that fing thing PERIOD. Im done with this bullshit game for good! This game can't get out of its own easy. And good luck getting "new fans" I'll spend my Saturday afternoons doing other things. This game is a dying relic and that decision will be looked back on more and more of these tracks start closing. If that was baffert or pletcher or anyone besides the guy they think is a huge cheater that horse would've stayed up. I've had some very bad breaks gambling on this bullshit and I'm not going to do it again. Take care

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Im a newer (ex fan) of horseracing I've been following this site and this bullshit game since 2015 (full disclosure i needed maximum security to hit the P5 and nice oaks/derby double) I'm done with horseracing for good now. I loved it, i taught myself how to the read the forms, i go-to keeneland every April and October since 2016. I told evryone i had at my house that they were taking the horse down as soon as Mott started chirping. They didnt want servis winning that fing thing PERIOD. Im done with this bullshit game for good! This game can't get out of its own easy. And good luck getting "new fans" I'll spend my Saturday afternoons doing other things. This game is a dying relic and that decision will be looked back on more and more of these tracks start closing. If that was baffert or pletcher or anyone besides the guy they think is a huge cheater that horse would've stayed up. I've had some very bad breaks gambling on this bullshit and I'm not going to do it again. Take care

See ya!

[moses]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Im a newer (ex fan) of horseracing I've been following this site and this bullshit game since 2015 (full disclosure i needed maximum security to hit the P5 and nice oaks/derby double) I'm done with horseracing for good now. I loved it, i taught myself how to the read the forms, i go-to keeneland every April and October since 2016. I told evryone i had at my house that they were taking the horse down as soon as Mott started chirping. They didnt want servis winning that fing thing PERIOD. Im done with this bullshit game for good! This game can't get out of its own easy. And good luck getting "new fans" I'll spend my Saturday afternoons doing other things. This game is a dying relic and that decision will be looked back on more and more of these tracks start closing. If that was baffert or pletcher or anyone besides the guy they think is a huge cheater that horse would've stayed up. I've had some very bad breaks gambling on this bullshit and I'm not going to do it again. Take care

Good job handicapping...but sometimes bad luck strikes. Take a couple days to calm down and let us know who you like in the Preakness.

Let’s be honest. Almost all the people who are allegedly done with racing will be back.

[ateamstupid]

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

[moses]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

I really think they should of tried to get some of that standing water off the track. That being said, if you you want to run the biggest 3 year old race of the year on that surface, then, I think they should only take the winner down if they think he wasn't best. Horses aren't gunna be able to stay that straight running on that surface.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

If the 1 got second I’d be more convinced. Bad call. I saw mike smith do worse multiple timee including travers day

That's the point though. We don't know if he would have gotten 2nd or 3rd or even 4th or 5th, because he was fouled and affected the outcome.

Once the DQ is decided on, it doesn't matter whether the "winner" ends up being a horse that was probably not going to win- the horse taken down gets placed behind the one it affected (which the stewards correctly determined was Long Range Toddy.)

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I thought it was the right call. The winner absolutely fouled War of Will. I’m not sure how that is even debatable.

I feel for anyone that bet Maximum Security but a foul is a foul. I’d expect the same result on a Monday at Parx as I do in the Derby.

Integrity is taking the horse down that fouled a horse and cost him a placing. Not taking him down because it’s the Derby would be the opposite of that.

^^^ I'm on this page.

I had no financial interest here, I bet Game Winner. The reality is he fouled War of Will AND started a chain reaction with the 18 AND sent Code of Honor into the rail all within the same 100 yards. He HAD to come down. There was no gray area with regard to the rule. War of Will finished 8th and I'm 100% certain he would have finished better than that if he was not fouled- the rule is if you foul someone and the horse that's fouled has been compromised on potential for finishing higher you get taken down. End of story. If this was the 1st on a Monday at Parx like you said, it would not even be debatable and we would be turning the page. The stewards did the right thing not just for the result but for the safety of the game.