Lukas down to 40 horses

Originally Posted by Jfeld

Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

Did she win the eclipse award when she was under Lukas?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually Lukas did make Azeri a champion in the minds of many fans. Before he got her she ran two very similar campaigns and pretty much beat up on the same mediocre horses in one slow race after another. Lukas, on the other hand, ran her in tougher spots and brought her act to NY where she showed what she was really made of. She is another horse who's true mettle was defined in defeat with her exceptionally valiant effort in the 1 1/4 mile Personal Ensign.

I'm not Lukas's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but he was a trailblazer in this game and to deny that is lunacy.

I personally liked the fact that he sent her to the BCC too. She made a good showing that day in my opinion, there were some good (and one excellent) colts in that race. Day made a really smart move at the start of the race coming out of the gate and got a great position with her.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

injuries aside, she was a good horse. But your making DWL to be the "Messiah" of horse racing b/c of this?

It's not like he took a 9 YO $2500 claimer from Penn National and won the Apple Blossom with her. The horse was talented before she was in his care, you can't deny that. So he took the horse and made her even better, great, awsome all the best to DWL.

but your comment about him being the best thing to happen to Thoroughbred Racing is lose. A lot of people paved the way to Thoroughbred Racing before DWL was even a spec on the map.

-bt-

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Did she win the eclipse award when she was under Lukas?

It was a politically motivated backlash that prevented that from happening. A travesty of justice, which was so perverted that in the court of public opinion, the master Lukas and his mare were vindicated.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I personally liked the fact that he sent her to the BCC too. She made a good showing that day in my opinion, there were some good (and one excellent) colts in that race. Day made a really smart move at the start of the race coming out of the gate and got a great position with her.

She did run well that race but it is hard for me to defend a trainer who runs any horse in a race it has no chance in. Plus, personally, I wish she had run in the Distaff, which she would have dominated, as I never liked Ashado and wish she had denied her a BC win.

But, Lukas ran her in the tough campaign that had previously eluded her, and absolutely did her reputation an enormous amount of good. It seems to me a win in the Apple Blossom, Go For Wand and Spinster, along with her terrific second in the Personal Ensign, shaped her best campaign ever. And, as was previously pointed out, after her previous trainer claimed she had bowed.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by -BT-

injuries aside, she was a good horse. But your making DWL to be the "Messiah" of horse racing b/c of this?

It's not like he took a 9 YO $2500 claimer from Penn National and won the Apple Blossom with her. The horse was talented before she was in his care, you can't deny that. So he took the horse and made her even better, great, awsome all the best to DWL.

but your comment about him being the best thing to happen to Thoroughbred Racing is lose. A lot of people paved the way to Thoroughbred Racing before DWL was even a spec on the map.

-bt-

Like who ?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

Lukas took a bowed horse that the previous trainer said was finished and turned her into a true champion. Denying that is just silly.

The horse was not bowed. The horse did have some tendinitis in one of her tendons, but it wasn't that serious. I know that because one of my trainers uses one of the vets that examined her. The only thing the horse needed was a short break. The reason DeSeroux wanted to retire her was because she knew that she was about to get fired.

I was actually extremely critical of Paulson's son at the time. I couldn't believe that he was trying to bring Azeri back. Here is a horse who had won 9 graded stakes races in a row for him. She had won two Eclispe awards. I couldn't believe that he would try to bring her back when she has a bow and put her at risk. But then I totally changed my opinion when I found out that the horse wasn't bowed and that DeSeroux totally exaggerated the extent of the injury.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

im sorry but this is absolutely hilarious LMFAO! that post is worthy of the archives!

I agree. Azeri won around 10 or 12 graded stakes races under DeSeroux. She won 3 with Lukas. Don't get me wrong, Lukas did a good job with her but she the horse was already a super-star.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

Like who ?

ok, i guess its come to this

Allen Jerkens
Jack Van Berg
Charles Wittingham
Laz Barrera

i mean the lists goes on and on, most of these guys were HOF's before Lukas even got into the game. I assume they had nothing to do with paving way right?

-bt-

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What was even more exciting about that was the complete disinterest Lukas showed in Flanders after the race when she broke down.

If I remember, the vets did an amazing job to save the filly's life. It was a very complicated surgery and they were lucky to save her. The vets explained to the press exactly what they did. So when the press asked Lukas about the fillies condition, they were shocked when Lukas said that she was fine and acted like what happened was no big deal. He acted like the horse wasn't even hurt bad and that she was never in any grave danger. When the press told Lukas that the vets said they were lucky to save her, Lukas said something to the effect of 'Those vets always exaggerate and act like a horse's condition was much worse than it was, just so they can take credit and make people think that they can walk on water.'

Lukas wasn't even appreciative about what the vets had done to save his horse. It was more important for him to downplay the injury in order to take the focus off the vets and put it back on him for wiining those big races.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by -BT-

ok, i guess its come to this

Allen Jerkens
Jack Van Berg
Charles Wittingham
Laz Barrera

i mean the lists goes on and on, most of these guys were HOF's before Lukas even got into the game. I assume they had nothing to do with paving way right?

-bt-

No one said that the aforementioned quartet aren't/weren't good trainers, but none REVOLUTIONIZED the training business a la Lukas. That was the point.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

No one said that the aforementioned quartet aren't/weren't good trainers, but none REVOLUTIONIZED the training business a la Lukas. That was the point.

i guess i must be off today. But can you refresh my memory on how he SINGLE HANDILY REVOLUTIONIZED ALL OF THOROUGHBRED RACING , again im sorry i'm slow

this is all aside from the fact that he and his magical hands reincarnated Azeri as if she was never a good horse in the first place, that part i got


-bt-

[GinaIsWild]

LUKAS...There is NO substitute.

Just because a trainer doesn't publicly show emotion about an injured horse doesn't mean they don't care about it. So what if Todd Pletcher didn't sprint to Fleet Indians side with tears streaming down his face. He didn't look too happy in the photos of him by her side waiting for 30 minutes for the horse ambulance to get there. And anyone that thinks Wayne is absolutely heartless when it comes to his horses, needs to have the man tell you the story of Landaluce. He was cradling her head when she died. His eyes didn't look very dry while he told me that story.

Oh, and his face lights up just the same when you ask him about some of the champions he trained.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Just because a trainer doesn't publicly show emotion about an injured horse doesn't mean they don't care about it. So what if Todd Pletcher didn't sprint to Fleet Indians side with tears streaming down his face. He didn't look too happy in the photos of him by her side waiting for 30 minutes for the horse ambulance to get there. And anyone that thinks Wayne is absolutely heartless when it comes to his horses, needs to have the man tell you the story of Landaluce. He was cradling her head when she died. His eyes didn't look very dry while he told me that story.

Oh, and his face lights up just the same when you ask him about some of his champions he trained.

I remember reading somewhere that wayne said after Landaluce died he never let himself get emotionally attached to another horse...because her death affected him too much.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Just because a trainer doesn't publicly show emotion about an injured horse doesn't mean they don't care about it. So what if Todd Pletcher didn't sprint to Fleet Indians side with tears streaming down his face. He didn't look too happy in the photos of him by her side waiting for 30 minutes for the horse ambulance to get there. And anyone that thinks Wayne is absolutely heartless when it comes to his horses, needs to have the man tell you the story of Landaluce. He was cradling her head when she died. His eyes didn't look very dry while he told me that story.

Oh, and his face lights up just the same when you ask him about some of the champions he trained.

The fact that Lukas was extremely upset when Landaluce died, does not prove that he is not heartless. If I had a goose that laid golden eggs and I was extremely upset that the goose died, would that prove that I have a heart? That is absurd.

The guy is as heartless as any trainer I have ever seen. I'm not going out on a limb saying that. Pretty much everyone on the backstretch will tell you the same thing.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The fact that Lukas was extremely upset when Landaluce died, does not prove that he is not heartless. If I had a goose that laid golden eggs and I was extremely upset that the goose died, would that prove that I have a heart? That is absurd.

The guy is as heartless as any trainer I have ever seen. I'm not going out on a limb saying that. Pretty much everyone on the backstretch will tell you the same thing.

By "everyone" you mean all of the jealous, backstabbing, knockers I assume.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

By "everyone" you mean all of the jealous, backstabbing, knockers I assume.

No, not at all. I'm talking about top trainers who are doing way better than Lukas is doing right now. It has nothing to do with jealousy. If they were going to be jealous of someone, they would be jealous of Pletcher and Frankel. Those are the guys winning everything these days.

Many of the people I know that knock Lukas are people that never say a bad word about anyone.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

LUKAS...There is NO substitute.

that 1 is also worthy of the archives, but please spell it correctly its luka$$

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Frankel isn't everyone's cup of tea, but one of the reasons I like him is the fact that he has so much emotion over the horses he cares for. Zito is the same way, ask him about a horse under his care and his face lights up.

ok, so now lukas doesn't care about horses? he sat on the stall floor with landaluces head in his lap, crying while she died after they did everything they could for her. how often do you think someone can go thru that kind of stuff before they start trying to shield themselves? breakdowns are a part of this sport, as we are all aware. but everyone trying to demonize dwl for not showing emotion might want to re-think all that.

it appears that i was too late in mentioning this story, as others already did so. funny tho how some have an answer for everything, especially when it doesn't fit into their idea of how dwl may or may not be...