1/28 (GP): $12MM Pegasus World Cup

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Just my opinion of course. Does CC's Classic last year beat Roses in May in '04. I have my doubts. Pleasantly Perfect beat MDO twice on the square, which is good enough for me, though PP wasn't his best when Ghostzapper beat him. Saint Liam's Woodward vs Ghostzapper is better than anything CC has run, and he also won a BC Classic. If they weren't better, they are most certainly in the discussion.

To throw another horse in there from that timeframe...I'm not positive CC is better than Congaree either.

I think you need to clarify distances, I guess for discussions sake I am thinking 10 furlongs.

My memory of Pleasantly Perfect was he was a very nice 10 furlong horse who grinded his way to wins but was not overly fast.

Congaree at 8-9 furlongs was certainly a top top class horse.

I never thought Roses in May was very good historically.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I never thought Roses in May was very good historically.

Agreed. I was just trying to compare Arrogate and Ghostzapper through some of the horses they faced, and now I've probably gotten to the point where the line of tangency ain't touching the curve anymore.

[Merlinsky]

Steve Haskin's saying on FB that he read a column by the Timeform US clocker disputing the final time of the Pegasus as 1:46 4/5 which would equal the track record. He said he timed it himself at 1:46.89. The blame seems to be on the discrepancy between the run-up of the Poseidon and the Pegasus. A FB friend of his posted pictures of the two and they do look different.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Steve Haskin's saying on FB that he read a column by the Timeform US clocker disputing the final time of the Pegasus as 1:46 4/5 which would equal the track record. He said he timed it himself at 1:46.89. The blame seems to be on the discrepancy between the run-up of the Poseidon and the Pegasus. A FB friend of his posted pictures of the two and they do look different.

What was Shaman Ghost's BSF in the race?

[knickslions2]

So I timed it watching the race three times. While this is crude I got 1:46.95, 1:46.89 and 1:46.99

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

So I timed it watching the race three times. While this is crude I got 1:46.95, 1:46.89 and 1:46.99

So that's like a 122 beyer. Dam he is good.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

So I timed it watching the race three times. While this is crude I got 1:46.95, 1:46.89 and 1:46.99

When I timed Songbird nosing out Beholder it came 1:48.14 all three times.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Steve Haskin's saying on FB that he read a column by the Timeform US clocker disputing the final time of the Pegasus as 1:46 4/5 which would equal the track record. He said he timed it himself at 1:46.89. The blame seems to be on the discrepancy between the run-up of the Poseidon and the Pegasus. A FB friend of his posted pictures of the two and they do look different.

at this point i think all that do this stuff professionally agree that the final time is wrong, I have seen anywhere from 146.10 to 146.90

either way its off, considerably.