BC Sprint Purse Being Withheld

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

Good article by my man Frank as always, but I would like to see it broken down by off odds as well.

With all due respect to Frank whom I like and think highly of, it's yet the latest disingenuous BH propaganda piece. It's a mash-up of half truths and distortions of information and statistically insignificant results derived from.. wait for it.. the legal administration and reporting of medications.

Here's an added layer of info, the Thoro-Graph sheets of the 15 horses (Link in TG forum post): https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/re...845#msg-105845

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

With all due respect to Frank whom I like and think highly of, it's yet the latest disingenuous BH propaganda piece. It's a mash-up of half truths and distortions of information and statistically insignificant results derived from.. wait for it.. the legal administration and reporting of medications.

Here's an added layer of info, the Thoro-Graph sheets of the 15 horses: https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=212

Have a heart..Just say these guys are loading up their claims and runners with ROIDS and then running them within the the boundaries of said rules LEGALLY.. Its sorry to suggest these beasts are being HELPED and CARED for out of the goodness of man kind.. Geez man call a spade a spade or say nothing

[taxicab]

So.....
This entire "story" has obviously turned into a black eye for the CHRB.
Looking into the Derby Trail Crystal Ball....
Does anyone think the California Horse Racing Board will "tweak" their rules on steroid applications ?
The way I see it, the CHRB has three choices:
A) Bump up the steroid withdrawl time to at least double what it is now.
B) Ban any steroid use in horses........period.
C) Don't make any changes in the current policy/rules.

I would think C is not a great idea.......

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

With all due respect to Frank whom I like and think highly of, it's yet the latest disingenuous BH propaganda piece. It's a mash-up of half truths and distortions of information and statistically insignificant results derived from.. wait for it.. the legal administration and reporting of medications.

Here's an added layer of info, the Thoro-Graph sheets of the 15 horses: https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/file.php?1,file=212

Download doesn't work directly but for anyone wanting to view the sheets, it's under the thread "CA Steroids". As I suspected, the horses are not running out of their skin, but rather maintaining form, most likely pairing their last. Looking at these without knowing they were on a steroid list no one would blink an eye.

I don't think it's a hit piece, it's reporting the statistics- which do stand out as abnormal, however the ROI/off odds are important to color the picture.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by philcski

Download doesn't work directly but for anyone wanting to view the sheets, it's under the thread "CA Steroids". As I suspected, the horses are not running out of their skin, but rather maintaining form, most likely pairing their last. Looking at these without knowing they were on a steroid list no one would blink an eye.

I don't think it's a hit piece, it's reporting the statistics- which do stand out as abnormal, however the ROI/off odds are important to color the picture.

The article certainly doesn't dig very deep. For the most part, all the other SoCal horses were coming off long layoffs (5-6 months) or making their debuts. Some of those horses were administered steroids presumably at the start of the layoff (Silent Bird, Longstocking) while others (the Miller horses) seemed to get them at the end of the layoff (~3 months out of a race). It's debatable whether this is appropriate use, but it is certainly more palatable than this BC fiasco.

What makes Masochistic unique, and what cmorioles has pointed out already, is that this horse was administered steroids while actively campaigning, which defies the intent of the regulatory changes surrounding anabolic steroids that started in 2008 to keep them out of sanctioned races.

Did the CHRB do a good enough job hammering the intent of the rule changes into the horsemen's heads?

In the last year when the Vet List wait period was 30 days, there was ~500 administrations of steroids in CA racehorses. In the first year that the wait time was extended to 60 days, there was ~50 administrations.

Crudely speaking, I'd say about 90% of the horsemen got the message.

[10 pnt move up]

Ellis got slapped pretty hard, basically if you have a top class horse you better move barns for 2017.

[bare it all]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ellis got slapped pretty hard, basically if you have a top class horse you better move barns for 2017.

Even if someone moved now, is the horse already banned by being in the barn at the beginning of the year?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by bare it all

Even if someone moved now, is the horse already banned by being in the barn at the beginning of the year?

i dont think that would be fair and how they would look, am sure there is a "no horse transferred by x date" in the ruling can run.