facepalm of the day

[Danzig]

Carly, it becomes no more true with repetition.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._checking.html

I doubt she cares. When she drops out of the race, her speeches will be in demand, and maybe some books, for those who want to hear what she's ready to claim. No proof needed.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Carly, it becomes no more true with repetition.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._checking.html

Fiorina to Chuck Todd on Abortion Videos: 'Do You Think This Is Not Happening?'
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...g-jim-geraghty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Fiorina to Chuck Todd on Abortion Videos: 'Do You Think This Is Not Happening?'
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...g-jim-geraghty

so, she can't prove it's happening, therefore we have to say 'but it could be'??

anyway, the heck with that:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/23-pound-pa...ry?id=34107136

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, she can't prove it's happening, therefore we have to say 'but it could be'??

Do you know if PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Do you know if PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs?

i don't know. you asked before and I said the same. and i asked before, do you?

[Danzig]

Just saw this, when I went to MSNBC....





http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/missouri-...-investigation

Missouri became the sixth state to investigate Planned Parenthood and find no wrongdoing — just as the organization’s president prepares to testify before a House committee Tuesday for the first time since an anti-abortion group released secretly recorded videos accusing the group of illegally profiting from fetal tissue.

“As a result of our investigation, the Office of the Missouri Attorney General has found no evidence that that [Planned Parenthood] has engaged in unlawful disposal of fetal organs and tissue,” a report concluded. Investigations in Georgia, Indiana, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and South Dakota have cleared the group, as well, and a seventh has declined to even open investigations, citing lack of evidence.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Do you know if PP kills babies who have been born alive, and sells their organs?

PP does not sell organs. No medical facility sells organs. It is illegal to sell organs.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

PP does not sell organs. No medical facility sells organs. It is illegal to sell organs.

Of course, "if the transfer affects interstate commerce." And while the body parts cannot be "sold," the law exempts reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue, and Lamborghini payments. Okay, I added that last part. Because just like Dr. Gatter, I have a sense of humor.
http://thewayfellow.com/2015/07/21/h...w-lamborghini/

Then there's this end around scenario... The research institutes and the abortion clinics have joined with a third party, the fetal tissue wholesaler. The fetal tissue wholesaler pays the abortion clinics a “site fee” to place employees, known as “procurement agents,” who collect various body parts of the aborted fetuses as soon as the abortion process is finished and ship them to various research institutes. By having free access to all the desirable fetal tissue, these agents take the body parts that are requested to various research laboratories and government agencies.

The wholesaler is technically renting the space to harvest the body parts rather than paying for the tissue itself. The abortionist then “donates” the tissues to the wholesalers. At the other end of the transaction, the wholesaler will “donate” the fetal material to researchers but bill them for the cost of retrieval. Thus the business deal is complete and no body parts have been "sold." Yippee, no laws have been broken. Because as Dr. Gatter says, they don't want to be in a position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that.

So, do you know if PP kills babies that have been born alive, and receives payment from third party fetal tissue wholesalers who harvest its body parts for sale to researchers?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Of course, "if the transfer affects interstate commerce." And while the body parts cannot be "sold," the law exempts reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue, and Lamborghini payments. Okay, I added that last part. Because just like Dr. Gatter, I have a sense of humor.
http://thewayfellow.com/2015/07/21/h...w-lamborghini/

Then there's this end around scenario... The research institutes and the abortion clinics have joined with a third party, the fetal tissue wholesaler. The fetal tissue wholesaler pays the abortion clinics a “site fee” to place employees, known as “procurement agents,” who collect various body parts of the aborted fetuses as soon as the abortion process is finished and ship them to various research institutes. By having free access to all the desirable fetal tissue, these agents take the body parts that are requested to various research laboratories and government agencies.

The wholesaler is technically renting the space to harvest the body parts rather than paying for the tissue itself. The abortionist then “donates” the tissues to the wholesalers. At the other end of the transaction, the wholesaler will “donate” the fetal material to researchers but bill them for the cost of retrieval. Thus the business deal is complete and no body parts have been "sold." Yippee, no laws have been broken. Because as Dr. Gatter says, they don't want to be in a position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that.

So, do you know if PP kills babies that have been born alive, and receives payment from third party fetal tissue wholesalers who harvest its body parts for sale to researchers?

The seven, count 'em, seven Planned Parenthood clinics that do tissue donation do not make any profit off of fetal tissue donations. If anything, they take a loss on it. At best, they break even.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ly_making.html

There is no proof of PP doing what you say. The video used stock footage, some dating back to the 1980s, and as for the fetuses in the video, no one knows whether they were second trimester abortions, or whether they were miscarriages or premature births. No. One. Knows. Because they are stock footage. Well, one we do know was a stillbirth, and that crummy organization used it without the mother's permission. Classy. But there is no proof that any of those videos were shot at PP facilities. The most you see of PP is the exterior of some buildings.

Here's something you may not know- most fetuses born prematurely at 20 weeks don't make it. Sometimes they live for a brief period outside their mother, but it doesn't mean they're healthy. A coworker of mine's wife had twin boys at 22 weeks and both lived for about a day before they died.

And, just to be clear- I watched the video. And it's quite graphic. And NONE of the stuff Fiorina says is in the video is in the video. None of it. And the sheer use of voiceover and "he told me..." good grief. Compared to this, PETA's racing sting video is a documentary.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Fiorina to Chuck Todd on Abortion Videos: 'Do You Think This Is Not Happening?'
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...g-jim-geraghty

Of course, in true "both sides do it" fashion, Fiorina is the chair of a company that has donated almost $20,000 to an abortion charity:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/carly-fio...vid-1733347289

So, either she's a hypocrite, or she's so incredibly incompetent at running things that she had no idea what the non-profit she was chair of was contributing to.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Of course, in true "both sides do it" fashion, Fiorina is the chair of a company that has donated almost $20,000 to an abortion charity:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/carly-fio...vid-1733347289

So, either she's a hypocrite, or she's so incredibly incompetent at running things that she had no idea what the non-profit she was chair of was contributing to.

hey, she wants no deal with iran while having made millions selling computers to iran, thru another company of course....because selling to iran was illegal.