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[pointman]

JV was in the 2 path the entire stretch on a straight course whipping his horse left handed, it was I'm a Chatterbox who came out. Include Betty was out 1 path next to Danette behind the 3 and 8 and there was no contact there.

Really at a loss as to what JV should have done, he rode his horse hard and would have won the race if Geroux can keep his horse straight. If JV moves his horse out he likely loses. Geroux is in the wrong here, not JV.

[MaTH716]

Neither jock did anything wrong and suggesting JV should've rode different and gone wide to be safe is ridiculous. Geroux didnt heard IMO, he was just along for the ride on a filly that got tired and drifted. Unfortunately for him, she drifted a bit too much near the wire and it was enough to warrant a DQ.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Neither jock did anything wrong and suggesting JV should've rode different and gone wide to be safe is ridiculous. Geroux didnt heard IMO, he was just along for the ride on a filly that got tired and drifted. Unfortunately for him, she drifted a bit too much near the wire and it was enough to warrant a DQ.

I agree Matt, I should have been a bit more clear, but I don't think Geroux did anything wrong either. He was hitting his horse right handed and the horse came out on her own. I don't think it was his fault that he could not keep the horse straight but the horse interfered which warranted a DQ. I don't think Geroux deserves any penalty for something I seriously doubt he expected or could control.

[JimmyEllis]

The filly got tired and drifted but JV was right up on her and Geroux couldn't whip as freely as he'd have wanted. In fact he came very close to hitting Curalina with his whip. If it's a requirement that tired horses run straight in the stretch, then add lanes and dq those coming out of them. If not, then allow them to drift a path and don't give the benefit to jocks that crowd them. If a jock can't freely whip a tired horse he shouldn't be punished.
They allow all that herding and they take down horses that drift a path.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by JimmyEllis

The filly got tired and drifted but JV was right up on her and Geroux couldn't whip as freely as he'd have wanted. In fact he came very close to hitting Curalina with his whip. If it's a requirement that tired horses run straight in the stretch, then add lanes and dq those coming out of them. If not, then allow them to drift a path and don't give the benefit to jocks that crowd them. If a jock can't freely whip a tired horse he shouldn't be punished.
They allow all that herding and they take down horses that drift a path.

JV was straight as an arrow and going left handed. I dont think he tried to purposely crowd Geroux. It was just unfortunate that Chatterbox really got out at the wire (despite Geroux being right handed the entire length of the stretch), obviously that was the reason for the DQ.

I understand the herding argument, but I really feel like it's a totally separate argument. This was just interference near the wire with a horse that lost a head bob.

[NavalOrange]

Originally Posted by pointman

I agree Matt, I should have been a bit more clear, but I don't think Geroux did anything wrong either. He was hitting his horse right handed and the horse came out on her own. I don't think it was his fault that he could not keep the horse straight but the horse interfered which warranted a DQ. I don't think Geroux deserves any penalty for something I seriously doubt he expected or could control.

I just re-watched the head on and you are right JV horse did come down the entire stretch in the two path. I saw it differently watching the replay yesterday on the infield big screen as it looked like JV was out more off the rail. But I still point out that by choosing the two path down the stretch brings a risk when passing a willing yet tiring horse. So JV initiates the risk and when that risk is realized, he benefits.

[JimmyEllis]

While JV enters sticking righty, he is desperately going lefty late stretch and can't get his filly to move out a path. Geroux sticks righty till very late, where it appears that he lacks room to continue; at this point, his filly comes out, bumps and is thrown to left lead. If she has a single path to her right, there's no issue

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by JimmyEllis

While JV enters sticking righty, he is desperately going lefty late stretch and can't get his filly to move out a path. Geroux sticks righty till very late, where it appears that he lacks room to continue; at this point, his filly comes out, bumps and is thrown to left lead. If she has a single path to her right, there's no issue

But then, wouldnt JV nip her at the wire anyway?