Derby Wars???

[Kasept]

Fantini should answer this. He said on ATR Friday he's made perhaps $40k on Derby Wars this past year.

[Benny]

Yes and no.Its mostly picking longshots most of the time. It can be a cheap day ifyou usually donate, so the competition can be fun,There are other places too like HorseTourneys, Twinspires, etc. Suggest you play for points at DW to get your feet wet. More sharp players on weekends and big $$ tourneys

[outofthebox]

I hate Derby Wars...Seriously living in La. probably keeping me from being addicted to Derby Wars.

[tanner12oz]

I played at 123bet and thought it was fun. Buyins were small and prizes seemed fair in comparison to people in contests

[letswastemoney]

If you're confident you can consistently reach $70 to $90 in a 6 to 8 race span in $2 WP tournaments, I think you should do well on there.

Its a good concept but I am not a fan of the limited formats and the token system. It has great potential similar to that of Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Great for people who live in a state where they cant bet online.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Its a good concept but I am not a fan of the limited formats and the token system. It has great potential similar to that of Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Great for people who live in a state where they cant bet online.

I am sure Texas will figure out a way to make it illegal as well.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Its a good concept but I am not a fan of the limited formats and the token system. It has great potential similar to that of Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Great for people who live in a state where they cant bet online.

I agree about the limited formats and it is something that I think Mark is possibly working on. Maybe some "optional race" tournaments. Some "on site" events. The bracket challenges are certainly unique.

IMO the "token" system is a giant

I would never pay $235 to play in a 100 person Saturday event. Or $375 to play in a 30 person high stakes Sunday game. And most importantly...$875 to play in a 30 person NHC qualifier.

DerbyWars has opportunities all week long to win tokens for such events, in games of multiple sizes and buy in amounts, and at lots of different tracks.

The $47 9 person games where you win a $375 token is a great deal. First off, they will run these even with only 7 entrants, meaning there is actually a negative takeout. If you can get one in under 7 tries ($47 x 7 = $329) you practically eliminate the takeout yourself. I have been fortunate enough to typically get one in the first 4 or 5 tries meaning that those Sunday contests yield a positive financial expectation for me in the long run. That's the idea anyway.

As far as NHC spots goes. They run $47 24 player contests which yields 1 $875 token. That gets you into a 30 player qualifier where top 2 make it to Vegas. Most qualifying sites they will take like 1 of 65 entrants. I realize that mathematically your overall chance to qualify may be better going the big game way, but I feel as though my practical chances are improved by having to fare well in 2 smaller sized tournaments as opposed to 1 large tournament. Not quite so overwhelming.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Its a good concept but I am not a fan of the limited formats and the token system. It has great potential similar to that of Fan Duel and Draft Kings.
Great for people who live in a state where they cant bet online.

I agree that it has similar potential to sports fantasy sites. If anything, it seems to be the best way at this point to draw new players to the game we all love, which is desperately in need of new players.

Derbywars has live Wednesday night and 100k game webcasts which are fun to be a part of as well as constant write-ups and articles on players and tournaments at Horseracingnation. These are nice touches in an effort to get a new generation to become involved.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

If you're confident you can consistently reach $70 to $90 in a 6 to 8 race span in $2 WP tournaments, I think you should do well on there.

In the typical 100 man Saturday tournament (13-15 races) 2x your money is easily enough to be in contention nearing the final races. (ie..in a 15 race tourney having $80 in contest winning with 5 races to go is USUALLY a nice spot to be.) In the 9 man games or 30 man games that number comes back lower, something like 1.5x your wagers.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I hate Derby Wars...Seriously living in La. probably keeping me from being addicted to Derby Wars.

It can be addicting.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by Benny

Yes and no.Its mostly picking longshots most of the time. It can be a cheap day ifyou usually donate, so the competition can be fun,There are other places too like HorseTourneys, Twinspires, etc. Suggest you play for points at DW to get your feet wet. More sharp players on weekends and big $$ tourneys

The number of entrants in a given tournament likely dictates the price range on horses you may need to compete. 6 man games you may need just a few midpriced winners. 9 man games a few more. I am on the fair/poor side of coming up with bombs and have done just fine. Looking out in advance of races approaching often will provide you with clues as to when you may need to roll the dice. The style changes throughout a game based on remaining races available and your proximity to the top of the leaderboard. The "game within the game" is the part I find most enjoyable.

DerbyWars has sharp players 7 days a week because they offer $2000 nine entrants winner take all games practically every day. $250 entry. I have played in midweek games that had 5 of the top 10 ranked tour players involved. Yikes! The weekend games offer higher payouts but the field sizes are of course much greater.

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Fantini should answer this. He said on ATR Friday he's made perhaps $40k on Derby Wars this past year.

After speaking with you on Friday I actually went back and looked at my deposit history vs. withdrawl history and the net was just over 35K. This does not include 2 NHC spots which carry a rough value of 8k each.

My guess was not very far off.