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Old 02-23-2010, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
'Zig, I love ya, but the party in control doesn't fillibuster itself <g>

You make a nice attempt at spin, above, with the "percentages" thing, but that doesn't stand.

It's crystal clear who are filing the fillibuster motions that block everything and grind everything to a complete halt (dark gold line) - it's higher than it's ever been right now, and it's the GOP.

The actual votes the GOP has made this past year (No versus Yes votes), and the number of bills approved by the House but languishing unvoted upon due to Republican blockage not allowing those bills to even come for a vote in the Senate, is on the .gov website. *** and I just found that number, it's 290. 290 bills sent from the House to the Senate for action, and nothing. has. been. done. because the GOP votes to fillibuster and refuse to act upon virtually every damn thing.

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The gold line indicates fillibusters by the opposition party. You don't have to stand on the floor and physically fillibuster now, you just have to "file the motion" with intent. That essentially starts a fillibuster for all intents and purposes. That means everything grinds to a halt, as if some Senator was standing on the floor reading the telephone book.

The "cloture vote" is someone calling for a vote to vote upon closure of the fillibuster, and a vote is taken to close the fillibuster or not. And "cloture invoked" means that the votes were enough in favor to stop the fillibuster. At this point, the Senate continues on with business.

first of all, i brought up that it would be good to know who put up what motions because you'd get a better idea of how many party motions were filibustered by the other party-right? for instance, if there were 100 motions, with 30 filibusters, but 50 of the motions were by the other party, than they filibustered 50 motions, not 100.

as for the percentages being spin, that's incorrect. in total numbers, there are both more motions and more filibusters in the last graph-that's indisputable. however, the last lines show 140 motions, with 60 filibusters. that means less than 50% of all motions were filibustered by the reps. however, the last previous line, when republicans were in control, shows about 68 motions, with about 35 filibusters. that's MORE than half of all motions. so, not only am i correct in saying that filibustering is not in use more now than before, but i'm also correct in saying this is an ongoing issue by both sides, at least since 1998 when the amount of filibusters increased.
thanks for posting that, it was helpful.
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