Occupy Wall Street live - Day of Action

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Originally Posted by Riot

They were allegedly supposed to be protesting something about homeless people, but you can't break into and squat on private property.

See the black hoodies, covering their faces? Those are not Occupy. Those are black bloc supporters. See the kids in the background? Followers from Occupy who don't want peaceful protest. They have a split in Oakland, as they've been on the receiving end of so much violence there.

gimme a break. anyone who does anything overt isn't actually an occupy protester, even if they are part of the movement? i'd call that cherry picking.

the article identifies them as occupy protesters.



Rebellious Occupy Oakland demonstrators cut through a chain-link fence and tore down no-trespassing signs in a vacant Uptown neighborhood lot Saturday night, setting up a new encampment in bold defiance of Mayor Jean Quan.




The dirt-covered lot at 19th Street and Telegraph Avenue, next to the refurbished Fox Theater, is five blocks north of Frank Ogawa Plaza, where Occupy Oakland demonstrators were ousted in a predawn police raid Monday.


hundreds of demonstrators, who had just concluded a march through downtown and the Lake Merritt neighborhoods, got past officers with ease and without confrontation. During the march, they shouted criticism at banks, one of the objects of their larger protest against economic injustice.

They cut through the fencing with wire cutters and tore it down completely before quickly setting up a dozen tents on the property, which is owned by the Oakland Redevelopment Agency.




The evicted demonstrators announced two days later that they planned to resettle in the Uptown area, an emerging neighborhood of trendy lofts, restaurants and bars, after business leaders urged city officials to shut down the camp at Frank Ogawa Plaza in front of City Hall.





Occupy Oakland representatives also were elusive in announcing their plans. But one said the lot probably wouldn't be occupied more than a night or two.

that sounds like occupy to me.

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S.F. moves in on tents
Earlier in the day in San Francisco, city officials moved in on two Occupy SF encampments set up near the waterfront.

Public works crews arrived at the compound at Justin Herman Plaza a little after noon to remove dozens of tents set up illegally on a narrow patch of muddy grass along the Embarcadero. They allowed the larger encampment in the public plaza's interior to stay intact - for now.




Public works officials also issued a set of 11 conditions that they said must be met if demonstrators had a chance of staying.

Among them: There can be no more than 100 small tents, spaced at least 2 feet apart, and they will not be permitted on the plaza's two bocce ball courts or grassy areas; pathways must be kept clear; health and fire inspectors, as well as animal-control officers, must have full access; and other health and safety standards must be met.

"There are still major areas of noncompliance," Nuru said Saturday as he stood on the edge of the encampment surveying the scene.

San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee, who has taken a cautious approach in dealing with the Occupy camps, said he hopes to avoid violent skirmishes between police and protesters, like those experienced in Oakland and other cities.

"I'm trying to think a little long term here of how everyone can get to a point where everyone has some degree of satisfaction out of what we do," he said.

The Occupy SF communications team issued a statement describing the conditions set by the city as unachievable.

"We believe that these demands are merely a strategic harassment aimed at silencing the voice of the movement," the statement said.


i have to say i completely disagree with that last statement. people can protest without sleeping in tents.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

gimme a break. anyone who does anything overt isn't actually an occupy protester, even if they are part of the movement? i'd call that cherry picking.

It's not cherry picking to refuse to let you, or a newspaper, paint all protesters with the same broad brush.

There are violent groups of people trying to associate with the movement, and the violence is completely rejected by the Occupy folks. Same thing happened in NY, when a few violent protesters marching with Occupy broke windows. They have a problem in Washington with homeless drug addicts in the camp.

Same thing happened with the everywhere picture of the guy from OWS in New York, with the very bloody head? He was destroying police barricades, in front of the police, and the cops closed down Zuccotti, came in, took him down, and his head is bloody from hitting the curb when they took him down (that's all on video). So when people call him a "victim" of police violence - they are not really correct. He was trying to incite violence.

The Occupy movement supports no violence or illegal actions other than misdemeanor civil disobedience.

Oakland has trouble, there is a violent faction there. You can read - as it's all public - on the blogs and websites where the Occupy camps hang out, they've talked about what they did with cutting the fence, and they do not like what this splinter group has done (occupying private property). They've had trouble since Quan attacked them, with a group that is following the violent and a group that is still refusing to.

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Originally Posted by Riot

It's not cherry picking to refuse to let you, or a newspaper, paint all protesters with the same broad brush.

There are violent groups of people trying to associate with the movement, and the violence is completely rejected by the Occupy folks. Same thing happened in NY, when a few violent protesters marching with Occupy broke windows. They have a problem in Washington with homeless drug addicts in the camp.

Same thing happened with the everywhere picture of the guy from OWS in New York, with the very bloody head? He was destroying police barricades, in front of the police, and the cops closed down Zuccotti, came in, took him down, and his head is bloody from hitting the curb when they took him down (that's all on video).

The Occupy movement supports no violence or illegal actions other than misdemeanor civil disobedience.

Oakland has trouble, there is a violent faction there. You can read - as it's all public - on the blogs and websites where the Occupy camps hang out, they've talked about what they did with cutting the fence, and they do not like what this splinter group has done (occupying private property)

i understand that these protests will get hangers on who have their own agenda-but that certainly doesn't mean that the 'real' protesters are all lily white. not by a long shot. occupy spokespeople said they'd be in that lot a day or two; they obviously were aware of what it would take to occupy that lot.
but, if they want to pick and choose what laws to break, i guess they can't be surprised when they get arrested. i didn't know trespassing and destruction of property were misdemeanors.
or do they get their bad guy brothers to take all that heat while they stand by and claim innocence? but they'll move in after the hard work is done?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i understand that these protests will get hangers on who have their own agenda-but that certainly doesn't mean that the 'real' protesters are all lily white. not by a long shot. occupy spokespeople said they'd be in that lot a day or two; they obviously were aware of what it would take to occupy that lot.
but, if they want to pick and choose what laws to break, i guess they can't be surprised when they get arrested. i didn't know trespassing and destruction of property were misdemeanors.

I didn't say they were. They clearly are not, which is why the non-violent Occupy doesn't support them. Put it this way: the Lawyer's Guild, who has been helping out all the Occupy protesters arrested for civil disobedience, may let them be on their own for that.

There is a vast difference between peaceful non-violent civil disobedience and breaking and entering, destroying property, taking over private property.

or do they get their bad guy brothers to take all that heat while they stand by and claim innocence? but they'll move in after the hard work is done?

Yeah, that's it. They are all hoping for violent anarchy. Like the Occupy protesters that just Friday were attacked by the police with pepper spray, yet lifted not one finger to defend themselves. Like the estimated 15,000 non-violent and peaceful protesters in New York, on the Brooklyn Bridge, last Thursday. Oh, wait - the media sorta ignored that. I think CBS evening news reported that event as, "200 or so people here in the park, it's dead here"

Right now, there is an Official Occupy drum circle (I hate drum circles, they are cruel and unusual punishment) on the edge of Central Park, near Mayer Michael Bloombergs townhouse. They are paying him back for his attention and devotion to Zuccotti park. !0:00pm is curfew. Will the protesters be rousted? Here's the live feed:http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

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