Dutrow Filly - Four Races In 12 Days

trackrat59 · #1 08-22-2011, 08:29 PM

Indian Tale, a 3-year-old filly by Tale of the Cat who ran four times at Saratoga over a 12-day period and most recently was eased while finishing last in an Aug. 18 starter allowance on the turf, has been placed on the stewards list. The Rick Dutrow-trained filly will not be eligible to race in New York until she has a public workout to the satisfaction of the stewards.

Dutrow and owner J.W. Singer LLC claimed Indian Tale for $35,000 on Aug. 7 from Carlos Martin and Flying Zee Stables. She finished second that day, beaten a head, in a 5 1/2-furlong dirt sprint originally scheduled for turf. That was her fourth career start, following a maiden win at Aqueduct last November, an allowance race at Gulfstream Park in April, and a stakes at Belmont Park in June.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...es-in-12-days/

Calzone Lord · #2 08-22-2011, 08:39 PM

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The Rick Dutrow-trained filly will not be eligible to race in New York until she has a public workout to the satisfaction of the stewards.

What a bunch of PC nonsense.

"to the satisfaction of the stewards" ... is this like some spinoff of a vets list?

She's by Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare -- she's made over 80K in her first five dirt races -- she's run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly.

I've heard more than one of these ladies mention about how they hope this horse "finds a good home" and doesn't end up in a kill pen.

It's a race horse -- it got bounced around in a soft turf race when it was eased. Big freaking deal.

Rudeboyelvis · #3 08-22-2011, 08:47 PM

He ran Reptilian Smarts back on short rest a ton of times - some horses can do that....I wouldn't read too much into it

Dahoss · #4 08-22-2011, 09:00 PM

I'm pretty much with you guys. At least he runs his horses. But, that 4th race might not have been the best decision. Easy to say that now, but feels like he went to the well one too many times.

trackrat59 · #5 08-23-2011, 10:12 AM

4 races in 12 days? That's not excessive?

MaTH716 · #6 08-23-2011, 10:38 AM

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4 races in 12 days? That's not excessive?

Maybe, but she ran first and second in the two prior starts while stepping up in class. It wasn't like he dropped her in for 20k and she was eased. It still was a starter allowance (where she caught a turf course that was labeled good). Was it excessive? Probably, but like Hoss said it's easier to say that now. I want to believe that it's a bigger deal than it should be just because it's Dutrow.

Rudeboyelvis · #7 08-23-2011, 10:52 AM

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Maybe, but she ran first and second in the two prior starts while stepping up in class. It wasn't like he dropped her in for 20k and she was eased. It still was a starter allowance (where she caught a turf course that was labeled good). Was it excessive? Probably, but like Hoss said it's easier to say that now. I want to believe that it's a bigger deal than it should be just because it's Dutrow.

Ding! Winner!

I'm no fan of Dutrow but the horse seemed fine and competitive in the 2 starts under his care - the 3rd, well the horse was eased, but was fine and walked back to the barn with no noticeable issues and did not require an ambulance - there is no evidence at all to suggest the reason was a result of the quick turnaround - that is nothing but random speculation and typical Paulick sh.it-stirring with no evidence to back any of it up...

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

Sorry if I choose see the glass half full - but the OMG MEANY HORSEY GUY witch hunt bullsh.it is unfounded in my opinion.

parsixfarms · #8 08-23-2011, 12:52 PM

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Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

As an FYI, under NY claiming rules, they couldn't drop the filly until the thirty-day "jail" period expires (meaning that they have to run her for at least 25% above the claiming price for the first thirty days after the claim).

Scav · #9 08-23-2011, 01:00 PM

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Ding! Winner!

I'm no fan of Dutrow but the horse seemed fine and competitive in the 2 starts under his care - the 3rd, well the horse was eased, but was fine and walked back to the barn with no noticeable issues and did not require an ambulance - there is no evidence at all to suggest the reason was a result of the quick turnaround - that is nothing but random speculation and typical Paulick sh.it-stirring with no evidence to back any of it up...

Matt - you're point is spot on - they never ran this horse once to drop and cut - short of the 75k tag that they knew no one would touch her for, and then two protected starts which suggests to me that the connections know they got a great deal and wanted to protect this one.

Sorry if I choose see the glass half full - but the OMG MEANY HORSEY GUY witch hunt bullsh.it is unfounded in my opinion.

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

Seattleallstar · #10 08-23-2011, 01:07 PM

I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

Rudeboyelvis · #11 08-23-2011, 01:15 PM

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As an FYI, under NY claiming rules, they couldn't drop the filly until the thirty-day "jail" period expires (meaning that they have to run her for at least 25% above the claiming price for the first thirty days after the claim).

Yup and after the first win for 75, they could have dropped to 50 if their plan was to use up the horse and cut - the fact that they chose two protected conditions just further illustrates the point that this horse has value and there wasn't some insidious plan to ruin it by running it back quickly...

Calzone Lord · #12 08-23-2011, 01:23 PM

Seattleallstar · #13 08-23-2011, 01:34 PM

ahh the good ol days! It was even better when 3yr olds would run in the wood,bluegrass, derby trial then the KY Derby

Cannon Shell · #14 08-23-2011, 02:34 PM

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I can only wish horses ran 4 times in 12 days, isnt that how it was in the good ol days?

Now we have slow, brittle, babied thoroughbreds who can barely run over a Mile

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

ateamstupid · #15 08-23-2011, 03:42 PM

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Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

I got your back homie.

Calzone Lord · #16 08-23-2011, 03:45 PM

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!

We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

Calzone Lord · #17 08-23-2011, 03:55 PM

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Adjusted for inflation -- $35,975 from 1899 would equal $930,096 today. Nice coin - for a plodder.

Seattleallstar · #18 08-23-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

PatCummings · #19 08-23-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

#20 08-23-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

This poor friggen horse made 341 starts in a span of just six years.

That's an AVG of 56.83 starts a year for six straight years!

We all know that it's speed that wins horse races and it's precocity that attracts buyers ... so the iron plodders getting fazed out plays a role on the toughness of the breed over time.

Yes, but the real question is... did he have a good home?
But, if a race horse could handle 341 starts in six years a hundred years ago -- what's 4 races in 12 days with a sound horse to a magician like Dutrow?

Yes, but the real question is...

Did he have a good home?