"Wise Guy" Derby history

ninetoone · #1 04-27-2011, 12:38 PM

I was wondering if there was a list of "wise guy" Derby horses of the past & their finish in the Derby. God knows I bet on some of them over the years. Has the wise guy horse ever won the race???

tanner12oz · #2 04-27-2011, 05:45 PM

Bandini was a wise guy horse and came in 19th or 20th

ninetoone · #3 04-27-2011, 06:17 PM

Yep, I threw away some cash on that one. I've always been a Dominguez guy, so it's an annual ritual for me to throw away money on his Derby mount, in addition to my regular pick. Looks like this year I'll donate some money to the pools on Stay Thirsty. Hopefully I can get the winner with the big bet...

10 pnt move up · #4 04-27-2011, 06:31 PM

I had thought Real Quit was the wise guy horse over his stablemate Indian Charlie?

rpncaine · #5 04-27-2011, 06:33 PM

I seem to remember that Sweetnorthernsaint was one.

miraja2 · #6 04-27-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine

I seem to remember that Sweetnorthernsaint was one.

I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

dellinger63 · #7 04-27-2011, 06:46 PM

The Chicago wiseguy horse has won every derby since Al Capone came over from NY, except Funnycide.

GPK · #8 04-27-2011, 06:55 PM

Teuflesbu...no, never mind.

GPK · #9 04-27-2011, 06:57 PM

Wasn't there some wise guy talk about Deputy Glitters in 06?

GPK · #10 04-27-2011, 07:03 PM

Interesting trivia...from 2000-2010, Todd Pletcher has trained the last place finisher in the Kentucky Derby 5 times and finished 2nd to last another 2 times.

randallscott35 · #11 04-27-2011, 07:19 PM

Paddy o Prado was last year and he finished 3rd.

NTamm1215 · #12 04-27-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Interesting trivia...from 2000-2010, Todd Pletcher has trained the last place finisher in the Kentucky Derby 5 times and finished 2nd to last another 2 times.

Off the top of my head I know he finished last with Monba, Graeme Hall (who displaced I think), Cowtown Rat, I think Keyed Entry, and I can't remember the other.

hi_im_god · #13 04-27-2011, 07:35 PM

ten most wanted. ninth in 2003.

Sightseek · #14 04-27-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

I think Point Determined was that year.

It was also the first year they did the post position draw on 4th Street Live and Bob Lewis had passed away. When Bev Lewis stood up to make her selection a lot of people cheered. I can't imagine there were that many sentimentalists making him 9-1 though.

randallscott35 · #15 04-27-2011, 07:43 PM

Borrego. I took the bait.

ninetoone · #16 04-27-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm pretty sure he went off as the favorite, which (given what I take "wise guy horse" to mean) would seem to disqualify him from fitting that term.

I guess everyone uses the term a little differently, which is why I don't quite get the original question of this thread. Every year there are multiple so-called "wise-guy" horses which I take to mean horses who some people like because of something that isn't clearly visible in the PPs. It isn't like there is one designated horse every year.
Sometimes these horses win. Sometimes they don't.

Seems like most years there is one horse that stands out among the rest as a wiseguy horse. I know people were saying Nehro for awhile there, I guess we will see as the day gets closer who it ends up being. I can see MOH being a strong candidate, now that Gomez is aboard.

miraja2 · #17 04-27-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Borrego.

He was my second choice that year....after Friends Lake.

I followed it up the next year with High Fly.

pweizer · #18 04-27-2011, 07:48 PM

According to the odds from Wynn Las Vegas today, Nehro is the second choice behind only Dialed In. He is definately the wiseguy horse this year.

Paul

randallscott35 · #19 04-27-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

According to the odds from Wynn Las Vegas today, Nehro is the second choice behind only Dialed In. He is definately the wiseguy horse this year.

Paul

I hate him in this race, I'm glad he is loved.

ninetoone · #20 04-27-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

He was my second choice that year....after Friends Lake.

I followed it up the next year with High Fly.

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High Fly....I bet the hell out of him to win. He made a strong move & fizzled out. I remember getting that adrenaline rush for a brief second...I guess that's why you keep comin' back!!!