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Old 10-01-2006, 01:58 AM
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he would fit better with a donkey.


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Slow Man... he would fit better with a donkey? LOL! Oh man....vintage material .

You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings.
I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:01 AM
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Euro, another who can't read. I am not saying she would beat the older, but name me another 3 YEAR OLD filly who is better....Where am I?
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:14 AM
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Yes Beth, Alexandrova is the only one you can even make a case for. Hope she comes on BC day.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:51 AM
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I dug up my PPs for the 2003 Breeders Cup and had a look at The Tin Man's only win at 12f. It was the San Luis Obispo H at Santa Anita in February, on yielding ground against an undistinguished field. He put up fractions of 51, 1:15:3 , 2:05:4, and 2:31:1, was ridden out, in hand late. The previous fall at Arlington for the BC Turf on yielding ground, he put up similar fractions of :51:1, 1:17, 2:05:4, but was passed late by High Chaparral and two others to be fourth in 2:30. On firm at Hollywood in May 03, he set the pace in :49:1, 1:13:1, 1:59:4, then stopped to a walk to finish beaten 14 lengths.

I love The Tin Man for his tenacity and consistency, however 12f is beyond his scope against top horses. If the BC Turf were 10f, he'd be a top contender, but it isn't, so I will be opposing him if he starts.
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:56 AM
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You guys are all insane. This was clearly a prep for the BC. To say if that, if this versus this horse or that horse is really reaching for something just to knock this horse. He did what he had to do to win and maybe it wasnt his best day. Who cares. If he ran 22 and 45 and spurted away by 10 you guys would still find faults with him and talk about EC and Cacique. Its getting very old. Got news for you- they arent exactly the modern day versions of Lure or Theatrical either! They need things to go there way or they lose!
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:14 AM
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i agree gander...he won the battle, but kept enough in the tank that he will do better in the war. he didn't need to win, only had to show that he was still firing on all cylinders. why win by open lengths??? ah, had he won going away we'd be hearing criticism of the jock....'what'd he do that for? shoulda left something in the tank!'
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:31 PM
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i agree gander...he won the battle, but kept enough in the tank that he will do better in the war. he didn't need to win, only had to show that he was still firing on all cylinders. why win by open lengths??? ah, had he won going away we'd be hearing criticism of the jock....'what'd he do that for? shoulda left something in the tank!'
I think Espinoza said as much when Bailey asked him after the race why he didn't pull away-- that he knew by the 3/8 that he had it won so there wasn't a need. I think that's what he said, anyway-- the sound wasn't so good.

I think the Europeans are tough to beat come Breeder's Cup Day, but I sure liked watching the old man show up the young whippersnappers.

Speaking of the Europeans, I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job trying to highlight some of them in a very short amount of time as they lead up to the Breeder's Cup.
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Old 10-01-2006, 12:35 PM
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No I do not think that was one of the better performances by the Tin Man. I think its pretty obvious he was off yesterday against a pretty weak field, but he still got it done. Shouldnt have taken much out of him though, he has as good a shot as any of the American horses on BC day. They're nothing all that super either.
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:53 PM
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If Wait A While enters the F&M Turf, I think she gets in the exacta.
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Old 10-01-2006, 05:47 PM
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knowing some of the horses heading that way, i think her getting in the top two is a reach.
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Old 10-01-2006, 05:51 PM
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knowing some of the horses heading that way, i think her getting in the top two is a reach.
That's fine, but I'm taking a stand.

Although there are many nice horses, I see more versatality in her.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:56 PM
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The Tin man is a great horse to root for, especially since Honu helps train him!
But if you really think that barely hanging on agaisnt those horses after cutting a soft pace(but nowhere near as soft a pace as he set in the Million) makes him a legitmate BC Turf contender, well, then we will just have to strongly disagree.
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Old 10-01-2006, 06:58 PM
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This filly is just outstanding. What else can you say? And her speed makes her much more deadly than Gorella in my opinion. She doesn't need things to fall her way, her tacical speed always gives her a trip.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:00 PM
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Going to be one heck of a race centering around those 2. Maybe Lady of Venice will turn things around and lets also not forget about Film Maker. Honey Ryder as well. What a nice race.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:01 PM
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Going to be one heck of a race centering around those 2. Maybe Lady of Venice will turn things around and lets also not forget about Film Maker. Honey Ryder as well. What a nice race.
Tim none of those mares have her figs, or her tactical speed or her consistency.
Shes really special.
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:01 PM
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i think angara is 'our' best shot. wait a while next. gorella will be charging late, as always--question always with a closer is will they get there in time???
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:04 PM
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That's fine, but I'm taking a stand.

Although there are many nice horses, I see more versatality in her.
oh yeah, she's versatile--definitely a strong point that goes in her favor. gorella for instance is NOT. she's a damn good horse, but closers are so easily knocked out of their game.

but that mare from england is always at the top of her game, and will be taking both a weight and comp break when she runs at churchill. if i had to single one from the eight races, it'd be ouija board..
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Old 10-01-2006, 07:04 PM
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Top Rate Horses who need to wire on grass always take their beats.
Top Rate Horses who need to close always take their beats.
Top Rate Horses who can be placed on the lead, stalking, or off the pace, well they are TOUGH to beat!!!
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:10 PM
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oh yeah, she's versatile--definitely a strong point that goes in her favor. gorella for instance is NOT. she's a damn good horse, but closers are so easily knocked out of their game.

but that mare from england is always at the top of her game, and will be taking both a weight and comp break when she runs at churchill. if i had to single one from the eight races, it'd be ouija board..
I like her too.....behind Wait A While, just like I had her behind Intercontinental last year.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:58 AM
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Slow Man... he would fit better with a donkey? LOL! Oh man....vintage material .

You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings.
I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive.

f*ck you and your advice to be positive.

I dont care about the well being of horses, or of humans for that matter, but it does not mean that I dont like/hate horses.

however, I dont hate the tin man for any other reason besides the fact that he is slow.


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