Synthetic to Dirt 'Improvers'

[Travis Stone]

I'm trying to formulate a list of horses who would fit the I Want Revenge model. Aside from IWR, are there any recent (as in past year or so) synthetic-to-dirt horses who improved dramatically when switching to dirt? I'm drawing a blank...

[Indian Charlie]

Fab strike
Zenyatta
Well Armed
Papa Clem
Indian Blessing

[Sightseek]

Tiago

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm trying to formulate a list of horses who would fit the I Want Revenge model. Aside from IWR, are there any recent (as in past year or so) synthetic-to-dirt horses who improved dramatically when switching to dirt? I'm drawing a blank...

Bob Black Jack

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Intangaroo

[ezgoerbaby]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Bob Black Jack

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Intangaroo

Ginger Punch?? Hystericalady??

[robfla]

Recapturetheglory? His two on the AP synth were ugly..

[robfla]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Bob Black Jack

didnt he set a world record on synth?

[lemoncrush]

Are we talking about horses who ran on dirt first, and then didn't run well on synthetic? That's the case for many of the examples people have mentioned above. Ginger Punch, Indian Blessing, etc...

I think the point of the thread was to list horses who were strictly synthetic horses as they started their career, and then improved dramatically when switched to dirt. Not to list dirt horses who didn't care for synthetics.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Bob Black Jack was beaten 32 lengths in the Derby in his only dirt start.

More a matter of distance probably.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Lawyer Ron lost a pair of maiden claiming races on synethetic and exploded on the dirt to a dominant MSW win at 7/1.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Fab strike
Zenyatta
Well Armed
Papa Clem
Indian Blessing

Fabulous Strike only made one synthetic start in his career, in the BC Sprint last year. Zenyatta ran multiple races on synthetics that were better than her one dirt effort. Well Armed has three graded stakes wins on synthetics and five overall, with only two wins in five tries on dirt. Indian Blessing debuted on dirt and was undefeated in three starts before trying synthetics.

I think the intent of the thread is to point out horses who have been running exclusively (or mainly) on synthetics and are being switched to dirt, not just a one-race engagement.

NT

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Fabulous Strike only made one synthetic start in his career, in the BC Sprint last year. Zenyatta ran multiple races on synthetics that were better than her one dirt effort. Well Armed has three graded stakes wins on synthetics and five overall, with only two wins in five tries on dirt. Indian Blessing debuted on dirt and was undefeated in three starts before trying synthetics.

I think the intent of the thread is to point out horses who have been running exclusively (or mainly) on synthetics and are being switched to dirt, not just a one-race engagement.

NT

yeah, i know all that.

none of that really matters though, since it would still be useful data for a study like this.

[sumitas]

Bob Black Jack was off a long time after the KD . He must have been injured during or prior to the race so he is not a good example of switching surfaces .

[HaloWishingwell]

I know he just beat a bunch of dogs but WELL ARMED turned it around on dirt at Dubai.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Tough Tiz's Sis?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Tough Tiz's Sis?

yea thats it

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Bob Black Jack was beaten 32 lengths in the Derby in his only dirt start.

More a matter of distance probably.

I have the wrong horse then, who won the sprint race the fall of 07' at Belmont. Got like a 118, went from like 100 on syn to 118 if I remember.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Black Seventeen? He was '08 though.

thx, I knew black was in there.

[Travis Stone]

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

Most are on the pace runners. The closers seem more likely to just be turf horses that take to the synthetics.