Casino Drive plots BC return

#1 08-28-2008, 05:49 AM

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=34529

zippyneedsawin · #2 08-28-2008, 06:16 AM

I can't wait.

sdjcom · #3 08-28-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=34529

Has Casino Drive won a two-turn race,or beat anyone in the states except, Mint lane, who is a second tier horse ? What is it that many writers and fans see that is so good about this horse, except his pedigree? Until he beats any of the Grade 1 winners coming out of 3 yr old crop, I would not crown him a serious horse, just an opinion.

ateamstupid · #4 08-28-2008, 09:51 AM

Isn't this old news?

SniperSB23 · #5 08-28-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

Has Casino Drive won a two-turn race,or beat anyone in the states except, Mint lane, who is a second tier horse ? What is it that many writers and fans see that is so good about this horse, except his pedigree? Until he beats any of the Grade 1 winners coming out of 3 yr old crop, I would not crown him a serious horse, just an opinion.

Really? You are going to be ready to crown him if he beats Monba or Tale of Slowkati?

sdjcom · #6 08-28-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Really? You are going to be ready to crown him if he beats Monba or Tale of Slowkati?

not crown him the best but just a serious 3 yr old, until then he is unproven

sdjcom · #7 08-28-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Isn't this old news?

a return would be current news, would'nt it?

MaTH716 · #8 08-28-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

Has Casino Drive won a two-turn race,or beat anyone in the states except, Mint lane, who is a second tier horse ? What is it that many writers and fans see that is so good about this horse, except his pedigree? Until he beats any of the Grade 1 winners coming out of 3 yr old crop, I would not crown him a serious horse, just an opinion.

Who does he have to beat, Pyro, Da'Tara? Let's face it. The whole 3 year old crop as of now has been very unimpressive. When you have doubts about the horse who won 2/3rds of the triple crown, what's that say about the rest of the class?

SniperSB23 · #9 08-28-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

a return would be current news, would'nt it?

Maybe if it said anything different from this article last month:

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/article/46140.htm

Mike · #10 08-28-2008, 10:02 AM

This years BC Classic is going to be unpredictable, it being on synthetic.

Who's the best horse at a mile and a quarter, on synthetic? Big Brown? He'd be a very poor value and untested against elders(and synth?)

Curlin? His own handlers are not so sure about trying thie surface

Colonel John?

Arcangues? Back from retirement for one last go!!!

ateamstupid · #11 08-28-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

not crown him the best but just a serious 3 yr old, until then he is unproven

Mint Lane > Monba. It's not even close.

sdjcom · #12 08-28-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Who does he have to beat, Pyro, Da'Tara? Let's face it. The whole 3 year old crop as of now has been very unimpressive. When you have doubts about the horse who won 2/3rds of the triple crown, what's that say about the rest of the class?

I would say Colonel John, MIS, Visionaire, BB, have turn into nice 3yr olds and Casino Drive is 3 so who would you rate him against? what makes you an expert on saying this crop is below par? is it because all the other people say that ?

SniperSB23 · #13 08-28-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I would say Colonel John, MIS, Visionaire, BB, have turn into nice 3yr olds and Casino Drive is 3 so who would you rate him against? what makes you an expert on saying this crop is below par? is it because all the other people say that ?

The Travers was won in a 106 Beyer and the King's Bishop was won in a 103. I wonder when the last time was that both those races were that low.

sdjcom · #14 08-28-2008, 10:14 AM

I think the only writer who really thinks about what he is writing is Steve Haskin. Go to the Bloodhorse and read His Question and answer blog sectionand he tells it like it is about Curlin and other issues. He is the only writer i have read who really tells it like it is. A real breathe of fresh air and unbias opinion.

sdjcom · #15 08-28-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Travers was won in a 106 Beyer and the King's Bishop was won in a 103. I wonder when the last time was that both those races were that low.

Beyers are subjective to so many factors on that particular day. CJ's beyer was the highest for the week-end action in states across country and he even bested ginger punch and others. like Iv'e always said if Beyers was that accurate we would all be rolling in the money.

hockey2315 · #16 08-28-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The Travers was won in a 106 Beyer and the King's Bishop was won in a 103. I wonder when the last time was that both those races were that low.

There were a few in there that are capable of running significantly faster, but pace and trip did them in. . .

SniperSB23 · #17 08-28-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

Beyers are subjective to so many factors on that particular day. CJ's beyer was the highest for the week-end action in states across country and he even bested ginger punch and others. like Iv'e always said if Beyers was that accurate we would all be rolling in the money.

Do you know what every past Travers winner would have done to Ginger Punch? The fact that there is even doubt as to whether Colonel John could beat Ginger Punch is evidence enough of how weak this 3yo crop is.

sdjcom · #18 08-28-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Do you know what every past Travers winner would have done to Ginger Punch? The fact that there is even doubt as to whether Colonel John could beat Ginger Punch is evidence enough of how weak this 3yo crop is.

I don't ever say one horse can beat another until it happens. I was just commenting about CJ had best beyers for the week-end stakes. So that must account for something. Some good horses ran this past week-end, like I said beyers is subjected to so many factors. What those are, I'm now that sure.But he won a 1 1/4 prestigiuos race and that is all that matters. So you are saying if there is doubt IF CJ could beat Ginger Punch then the whole crop is sub-par? whose doubt is that yours? That's an opinion by you not factproven on the track.

SentToStud · #19 08-28-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Do you know what every past Travers winner would have done to Ginger Punch? The fact that there is even doubt as to whether Colonel John could beat Ginger Punch is evidence enough of how weak this 3yo crop is.

Ginger Punch would have got eaten alive in a big field full of colts like the Travers. Of that, there is little doubt. It's one thing to beat four or five fillies and mares; another to beat a full field of colts and geldings in August.

sdjcom · #20 08-28-2008, 10:52 AM

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There were a few in there that are capable of running significantly faster, but pace and trip did them in. . .

That's my point. Those factors affect Beyers along with many others. If CJ or any horse in the race who got bumped bad break, had no room to run they all would have run a better time . That's why Beyers in one race does'nt mean the horses in that race could not post higher figures.