Beulah, River Downs the next to go...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

And i bet if you took away on video the track name the posted fractions, you could not tell if you was watching a
grade 1 or 5,000 claimers. They have exciting races too, just slower.

without any doubt i know I could, and so could many others.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

without any doubt i know I could, and so could many others.

Well maybe you can, but tell me how you can tell the difference, if you didn't know the jockeys on the horses no track name no fractional times just a generic screen how can you tell if it was a cheap claimer or a stakes race I've
watch horse races for 33 years and doubt if I could. Im very interested how you can tell difference on the video

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Benny Leger

I agree 100 % Gary. It's a beautiful little track on the banks of the Ohio River for those who have never been there. Been going there since I was a kid with my Dad starting in the 60's. It's a piece of Cincinnati history.

The old Coney Island on the Ohio. Clang, Myrtlewood's great rival for Midwestern sprint honors, held the track record at 6f for years; Man o' War's champion son Crusader set the track record for 10f. Used to be a feeder track for the Old Latonia, the leading track in Kentucky until it died in the 1930s.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The old Coney Island on the Ohio. Clang, Myrtlewood's great rival for Midwestern sprint honors, held the track record at 6f for years; Man o' War's champion son Crusader set the track record for 10f. Used to be a feeder track for the Old Latonia, the leading track in Kentucky until it died in the 1930s.

latonia was operating in the 1980's and then switch to turfway under new ownership

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

latonia was operating in the 1980's and then switch to turfway under new ownership

I don't believe the new Latonia (Turfway) was the same as the old. The actual city of Latonia is much closer to Cincy, but I'm no historian.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

I don't believe the new Latonia (Turfway) was the same as the old. The actual city of Latonia is much closer to Cincy, but I'm no historian.

I'm not sure either by old latonia i know turfway now is the latonia trk that was there at least 40-50years, so if there was an old latonia in the city of latonia before this track in florence ky then i'm wrong. I just thought she was referring to where the track is now under turfway. My mistake

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well maybe you can, but tell me how you can tell the difference, if you didn't know the jockeys on the horses no track name no fractional times just a generic screen how can you tell if it was a cheap claimer or a stakes race I've
watch horse races for 33 years and doubt if I could. Im very interested how you can tell difference on the video

i think you could tell the difference in GR1's from 5K claimers if you've been watching that long. cheap horses don't look as fluid, have shorter strides in the stretch, etc. if the classes were closer, like gr3 vs. allowance, or higher claimers vs allowance, i agree that without any visual cues it would be hard to know the difference.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i think you could tell the difference in GR1's from 5K claimers if you've been watching that long. cheap horses don't look as fluid, have shorter strides in the stretch, etc. if the classes were closer, like gr3 vs. allowance, or higher claimers vs allowance, i agree that without any visual cues it would be hard to know the difference.

Maybe so, i was just defending river downs and beulah on the comment they were rubbish. I get just as excited in the stretch run in a claimer(if my horse is in lead or coming hard ) as i do stakes races. The person who said river has a nice turf course is very correct. They were running these way back before it was popular. very nice track. Just cheap horses.

[SentToStud]

River Downs is nice. But Beulah? Come on. What of interest has ever happened there, aside from Art Schlicter losing everything he had and then some?

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'm not sure either by old latonia i know turfway now is the latonia trk that was there at least 40-50years, so if there was an old latonia in the city of latonia before this track in florence ky then i'm wrong. I just thought she was referring to where the track is now under turfway. My mistake

the 'old' Latonia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latonia_Race_Track

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

River Downs is nice. But Beulah? Come on. What of interest has ever happened there, aside from Art Schlicter losing everything he had and then some?

Bealuh is okay and has a nice clubhouse, nothing special there but has some
charm and nice paddock with benches and all. the clubhouse is small but nice and remember Beulah runs most of its season in dead of winter and screen shot is always gloomy and muddy. However it's still a horsetrack and for people who live in that area it's nice for them. everybody can't live 1 hour from saratoga, santa anita so these tracks is all they have.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'm not sure either by old latonia i know turfway now is the latonia trk that was there at least 40-50years, so if there was an old latonia in the city of latonia before this track in florence ky then i'm wrong. I just thought she was referring to where the track is now under turfway. My mistake

Old Latonia was in another location; the site is now under a shopping mall. The Latonia Derby, 10f and once the top race for 3yos in Kentucky, was last run in 1937, as was the Latonia Oaks: this was just about the time that Keeneland opened and that track could be seen as the spiritual successor of Old Latonia in terms of class.

A new track which opened in the late 1950s tried to latch onto the aura of tradition and quality associated with it by reviving the name of Latonia but only managed to drag it into the dregs. So strongly did the new track devalue the name that the management group that took over in the 1980s felt they had to change the name to disassociate its racing product from what had gone on before.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

the 'old' Latonia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latonia_Race_Track

Thanks for the info very interesting , see i don't know everything,lol now do the same with raceland. I live about 20 miles from where it use to be. Black gold got beat at this track. thx Stan

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Old Latonia was in another location; the site is now under a shopping mall. The Latonia Derby, 10f and once the top race for 3yos in Kentucky, was last run in 1937, as was the Latonia Oaks: this was just about the time that Keeneland opened and that track could be seen as the spiritual successor of Old Latonia in terms of class.

A new track which opened in the late 1950s tried to latch onto the aura of tradition and quality associated with it by reviving the name of Latonia but only managed to drag it into the dregs. So strongly did the new track devalue the name that the management group that took over in the 1980s felt they had to change the name to disassociate its racing product from what had gone on before.

thx for the info , see we all learn something new everyday. I did not know of the original latonia. thx Stan

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Maybe so, i was just defending river downs and beulah on the comment they were rubbish. I get just as excited in the stretch run in a claimer(if my horse is in lead or coming hard ) as i do stakes races. The person who said river has a nice turf course is very correct. They were running these way back before it was popular. very nice track. Just cheap horses.

i understand your point, live racing can be enjoyable no matter what the class. we're going through some tough times, i think many of the older and smaller parks will struggle to make it.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Thanks for the info very interesting , see i don't know everything,lol now do the same with raceland. I live about 20 miles from where it use to be. Black gold got beat at this track. thx Stan

Speaking of Black Gold when you walk into the Racebook at River Downs hanging on the walls at the entrance is some nice stuff framed on Black Gold, a horse who won 5 Derbies if memories serves me correct (Ohio, Ky etc etc).
Folks, Chuck Simon brought up a good point when I was talking to him at Churchill Downs this summer, a Derby favorite won a $50,000 race at River Downs that he had a horse racing in and ran second I believe by 5 lengths, Harlans Holiday. Look, River Downs is nice. It is scenic, a good atmosphere, a nice turf course etc etc. Beulah is what Beulah is. Nothing fancy or nice but gosh dangit us folks here in the Central Ohio area still appreciate what it brings for us, some live racing and plenty of simulcast. It ain't pretty to look at but you know that and don't expect anything different.

I for one will sure as heck miss betting $4,000 claimer on a cold dreary January afternoon with my fellow horse racing buddies. It is one thing to bet the horses when their is no live racing, but it is another when you are surronded by horse flesh. Atmosphere.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Speaking of Black Gold when you walk into the Racebook at River Downs hanging on the walls at the entrance is some nice stuff framed on Black Gold, a horse who won 5 Derbies if memories serves me correct (Ohio, Ky etc etc).
Folks, Chuck Simon brought up a good point when I was talking to him at Churchill Downs this summer, a Derby favorite won a $50,000 race at River Downs that he had a horse racing in and ran second I believe by 5 lengths, Harlans Holiday. Look, River Downs is nice. It is scenic, a good atmosphere, a nice turf course etc etc. Beulah is what Beulah is. Nothing fancy or nice but gosh dangit us folks here in the Central Ohio area still appreciate what it brings for us, some live racing and plenty of simulcast. It ain't pretty to look at but you know that and don't expect anything different.

I for one will sure as heck miss betting $4,000 claimer on a cold dreary January afternoon with my fellow horse racing buddies. It is one thing to bet the horses when their is no live racing, but it is another when you are surronded by horse flesh. Atmosphere.

i agree and the hotdogs and beer on hot day just sets the tone. is that little eatery just east of the track still there?

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Speaking of Black Gold when you walk into the Racebook at River Downs hanging on the walls at the entrance is some nice stuff framed on Black Gold, a horse who won 5 Derbies if memories serves me correct (Ohio, Ky etc etc).
Folks, Chuck Simon brought up a good point when I was talking to him at Churchill Downs this summer, a Derby favorite won a $50,000 race at River Downs that he had a horse racing in and ran second I believe by 5 lengths, Harlans Holiday. Look, River Downs is nice. It is scenic, a good atmosphere, a nice turf course etc etc. Beulah is what Beulah is. Nothing fancy or nice but gosh dangit us folks here in the Central Ohio area still appreciate what it brings for us, some live racing and plenty of simulcast. It ain't pretty to look at but you know that and don't expect anything different.

I for one will sure as heck miss betting $4,000 claimer on a cold dreary January afternoon with my fellow horse racing buddies. It is one thing to bet the horses when their is no live racing, but it is another when you are surronded by horse flesh. Atmosphere.

another derby winner winner spend a buck won the miller high life cradle stakes as a two yr old in sept 1984 so that makes 2 derby winners who ran there that we know of.

[tiznowthegreat]

Bellamy Road won the Cradle as well and then went off as the Derby favorite.

[Antitrust32]

My friend Pete has been calling the races at River... anyone heard him? I havent yet but would be interested in what ya'll think. I love to hear him call races... he would make em up and everything when we'd chill... like Freestyle Race Calling!