Best Pal Inquiry

[eajinabi]

Are the Stewards serious about this???

If they are to take Kelley Leak down then Azul Leon should be taken down as well. I agree Kelley Leak drifted but he did not touch anyone. Azul Leon did a hack job on Charlies Moment. Horrible call by the stewards

[geeker2]

No freken way...very bad call..

I bet Hardy's Horse...another less than good ride by CN..3 wide on the front the whole way..amazing the horse lasted for 3rd err 2nd I guess.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Are the Stewards serious about this???

If they are to take Kelley Leak down then Azul Leon should be taken down as well. I agree Kelley Leak drifted but he did not touch anyone. Azul Leon did a hack job on Charlies Moment. Horrible call by the stewards

That was a bad call I agree, Kelly Leak got screwed. I think Bejarano on Azul Leon saw a hole opening and made the right move, I though maybe Charlie's Moment may have drifted out as Azul Leon was trying to go through that hole, then had to check. Bottom line the #10 Kelly Leak should have stayed up, they made a bad call here.

[eajinabi]

Bejarano did not ride safe and could have gotten Jon Court injured. If he saw Kelleys Leak drift in, his best way was to pull up and go around but NO he wanted to win this at any cost and put Jon Court in jeopardy.

[CSC]

I didn't see the replay, but I thought Bejarano rode a pretty subpar race for a rider of his reputation. He had the best horse in the field, there was no need for it to go to the stewards if he had rode a half decent race.

No Bueno.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No Bueno.

todd "t" shrupp = liposuction left overs..you know that fat glue like paste..

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see the replay, but I thought Bejarano rode a pretty subpar race for a rider of his reputation. He had the best horse in the field, there was no need for it to go to the stewards if he had rode a half decent race.

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

There was no fault by the 8 whatsoever. Most of it was done by Bejarano. He went through the opening in which he should not have.

I dont agree with the call but I see what the stewards are thinking.
Espinoza went a bit wide on the turn and then with that right handed whipping caused the horse to move in to other horses that were jumbled and drifting out a bit. Espinoza closed the hole with a longer shot not allowing the best horse (and favorite) to win.

If I had the 10... I would be mad. I understand what I think the reasoning is however. If that makes any sense. If Espinoza had kept it straight in the stretch the 9 would have won without DQ imo.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There was no fault by the 8 whatsoever. Most of it was done by Bejarano. He went through the opening in which he should not have.

That hole was WIDE open when he decided to shoot through it instead of going wider. Like mclem posted, the hole just closed much too fast. As someone who singled AL in the late 4, and hit for $2(yippeee), I still feel that it was a bad call to take the 10 down.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I was suprised the horse broke in last but Bejarano had plenty of horse top of the stretch. He was kinda blocked by the 10, then saw a hole open up and didn't wanna swing wider, and made a move to go through the hole. In the process the 8 drifts in a bit, Bejarano was agressive in trying to still get through there yeah, but I still say the 8 drifted in slightly before having to check. The way I saw it Bejarano to me made the right move in trying to go through the hole, but it closed quicker then perhaps he expected if anything, because the Court's horse drifted in a bit.

I just viewed the replay, I thought it was a very questionable call. I'm not sure how the stewards determined the 10 was to blame when it could have easily be said Bejarano's horse caused the inside horse to take up...In addition it looked to me Ezpinoza may not have knew Bejarano went inside when he was hitting the horse right handed causing him to drift in abit; however I do think if Bejarano kept his horse on the outside he would have gotten up anyway, this despite going 8 wide on the turn. I wouldn't be happy if I was on the 10 and have to see a decision like that.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I dont agree with the call but I see what the stewards are thinking.
Espinoza went a bit wide on the turn and then with that right handed whipping caused the horse to move in to other horses that were jumbled and drifting out a bit. Espinoza closed the hole with a longer shot not allowing the best horse (and favorite) to win.

If I had the 10... I would be mad. I understand what I think the reasoning is however. If that makes any sense. If Espinoza had kept it straight in the stretch the 9 would have won without DQ imo.

I think Trevor Denman's voice said it all when he announced the DQ. He was surprised.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

That hole was WIDE open when he decided to shoot through it instead of going wider. Like mclem posted, the hole just closed much too fast. As someone who singled AL in the late 4, and hit for $2(yippeee), I still feel that it was a bad call to take the 10 down.

That was my point declan, when he made the split second decision the room was there, and I think it was the correct move. Was it agressive yes, but once you've made the decision you go for it. The 10 should have stayed up, I had both along with the 5 on my p4, wish I would have hit it twice. Nice job declan!

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

That was my point declan, when he made the split second decision the room was there, and I think it was the correct move. Was it agressive yes, but once you've made the decision you go for it. The 10 should have stayed up, I had both along with the 5 on my p4, wish I would have hit it twice. Nice job declan!

Correct move or not he hit the 8 and made substantial contact with him. In my opinion both 9 and 10 should be taken down at the least

Reverse the betting on the 9 and 10 and you dont get that decision most likely.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

9 was the best horse. So, I am glad the supporters of the best horse got paid. 10 was the 2nd best horse, but the only way to keep him top 2 would have resulted in the best horse getting 2nd place. As a horizontal player, I care about the best horse getting the win. Anytime you have a chance to give the win to the best horse, you should do it. They did it. Did Espinoza do much wrong? He let his horse drift out to block the best horse. Then ,he saw the best horse come inside, and he started whipping right handed to block him. Almost every single time a rider out here does what he did, the stewards ignore it. So, they're being 100% inconsistent with this call. This call is 100% about who was riding these horses etc. Espinoza can't get a call from them. He is absolutely on their s-h-i-t list. If you go back and take a look you will be astonished at how much it matters to these people(who is riding.) If Gomez(and probably Bejarano) was on this 10 horse, then it is coming down when hell freezes over. This is 100% political. They hate Espinoza, and don't give a s-h-i-t about Mike Machowski. Bejarano is the leading jock. O'neil is probably the trainer with the most starters on the circuit. I'd say that as a horizontal player you need to be aware that Gomez is probably gunna get taken down out here as often as a major quake occurs. It's about the same for Bejarano. These 2 are soooooooooo much better overall riders than the rest out here. Rosario has the potential to match them, but he makes mistakes. His brain takes races off(especially on horses he is expected to do something with.) You are almost never gunna get taken down out here if you use Gomez. You are rarely gunna get taken taken down if you use Bejarano. Now please read this next part carefully:

Let me put this in LIME f'n Green (so you hopefully remember this.) If you use Victor Espinoza or Corey Nakatani out here, then you are at a very high risk of getting taken down, and you have a very low shot of getting put up. A very good list of races will be offered up to show you this is fact(not opinion.) This race is just the 1st piece of evidence.

[Riot]

I thought this was a good job by the stewards - the 10 was all over the place, as soon as the 9 came inside at the top of the stretch the 10 bashes over towards the rail starting a chain reaction affecting three other horses where one of those horses got squeezed and had to pull up to keep from clipping heels and crashing.

Of course the 10 comes down behind the three he interfered with.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

I thought this was a good job by the stewards - the 10 was all over the place, as soon as the 9 came inside at the top of the stretch the 10 bashes over towards the rail starting a chain reaction affecting three other horses where one of those horses got squeezed and had to pull up to keep from clipping heels and crashing.

Of course the 10 comes down behind the three he interfered with.

I agree. He never hits him right handed until he sees Bejarano try to go inside. Then the effort to herd /intimidate begins. What I am saying is if Gomez is on a horse that is gunna get beat, he does quite the same thing as Victor did, and they are more than happy to overlook it. This is more about who than what. I guarantee you that.

7/11/08-HWD RACE 4-Stewards welcome home Gomez by overlooking the fact he let a tired horse drift out(because he saw he wasn't gunna hold off a Mullins oncomer if he stayed straight.) Watch the pan shot, and you'll see the Mullins horse had the momentum to go by, but comes outward towards the viewer. It broke his momentum just enough to keep him from going by, and he lost by a head. If Gomez doesn't foul, he doesn't hold on. The best horse on the day was not Gomez' horse, but the stewards overlooked that. He is very good at cheating. He makes it easy on them to help him. This is a great example of it. They are blind when they want to be. Look at Gomez on the head-on. You will see he knows the horse wants to come out. So, he keeps hitting hard righthanded. The instant he realizes the other horse has got enough late run to get him, what does he do, folks? He stops hitting him. That's not a random decision. His only shot at holding on was to foul. So, he stops hitting righthanded, and the horse shifts out right away. He forces the other horse to avoid him, and that was just enough cheating to allow him to hold on. It's a foul. They overlooked it, because of who was fouling. If Espinoza had done that, he was coming down that night. 100% sure of this.

6/26/08-HWD RACE 1-This is such an incredible take down. I can't begin to help them on this. It's 100% payback for Nakatani saying "they don't know what they're doing"(the weekend before this.) They are supposed to be above revenge. They aren't.

6/26/08-HWD RACE 2-Whatever they are saying Victor did wrong in the BEST PAL stakes pales in comparison to the herding intimidation etc. that the winner is allowed to take part in here. Look at the 2nd place horse as he constantly is worried about the winner coming over, and he just has to keep running sideways(into slower n' slower track surface.) This, they didn't care about, because it was the 1st winner for an apprentice jock. Again, the jock matters a lot to these individuals.

5/23/08-HWD RACE 8-The winner of this race was best. He bumped the 2nd place horse enough that you could take him down if you wanted to. So, they did. The winner had plenty of run, but was a lil sloppy. The 2nd place horse was gunna get his normal 2nd place finish. If Gomez(or probably Bejarano) was on the winner, then 99.99 % of the time he would stay up. This was Espinoza up, and so he must come down. I don't have a problem with this take down. I think the winner was best, but this was not an easy call. I'm just saying I know this call would have gone another way if a jockey they liked was riding the winner.

12/02/07-HWD RACE 9-This was the Vernon Underwood Stakes. Folks, this is rich. Compare this to the Best Pal Stakes. Look at how much they let the winner of this race get away with as he staggers home while intimidating and herding all the way in the last half furlong. Look where he is midstretch, and then look at what part of the track he finishes on. Both horses who ran 2nd n' 3rd are bothered by his crap, and who was riding those 2 horses? That's right. It was Corey Nakatani, and Victor Espinoza.To say the 2nd place horse wasn't badly bothered by the winner is simply a lie. The same people overlooking that trouble saw fit to take the winner of the Best Pal down. I don't see anywhere near the trouble caused by the winner of the Underwood. The only thing that's consistent with these stewards is the way they treat certain jocks. They aren't consistent in any other way.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

In addition it looked to me Ezpinoza may not have knew Bejarano went inside when he was hitting the horse right handed causing him to drift in abit.

There is zero doubt in my mind that he knew exactly where Bejarano was the whole way, and he knew Bejarano had the best horse. No doubt in my mind that he knew the 9 went inside of him, and then(and only then) did he start with the right hand whipping. Espinoza was doing what other guys do when they don't have the horse to win fairly. The problem with this whole situation is that they normally ignore these tactics, and all the sudden(when the cast of characters is a certain way,) they have a problem with riding this way. People, ya momma smoking a pound of weed a week could be more consistent and objective than this bunch. Don't expect Gomez to get taken down for doing the same thing(ain't gunna happen.)