How about this suspension

[ELA]

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/s...ortsOther/home


10 years and $40k. Interesting that Standardbred Canada has moved to revoke her O'Brien award for 3yo filly pacer of the year. I am not sure why the positive was in August of 2007, but the trainer was not suspended until April 2008. Also, the horse is suspended as well -- 90 days -- and any purse money, trainer and driver fees, from August to November would be returned and redistributed.

So, now in NJ, other states as well -- what are the penalties and fines in our sport? Does anyone know?

Eric

[parsixfarms]

It would be nice if the folks running the Eclipse Awards enacted some rule that a trainer - and all horses trained by him - are ineligible for year-end honors if he served a suspension in a given year. Sort of like the rule that the NFL put in place after Shawn Merriman was selected for the Pro Bowl in the same year that he served a four game suspension (for steroids, if I recall correctly).

[ELA]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

It would be nice if the folks running the Eclipse Awards enacted some rule that a trainer - and all horses trained by him - are ineligible for year-end honors if he served a suspension in a given year. Sort of like the rule that the NFL put in place after Shawn Merriman was selected for the Pro Bowl in the same year that he served a four game suspension (for steroids, if I recall correctly).

Yes, there should be something like this. I don't think you could declare ALL horses ineligible, but that would be an interesting suit.

Eric

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

Yes, there should be something like this. I don't think you could declare ALL horses ineligible, but that would be an interesting suit.

Eric

Since a private entity gives out the awards, I don't think there would be any legal issue at all, so long as those rules were spelled out before the year began. To those who think Eclipse Awards for their horses are important, they'd be on notice that, if they play with fire, they might get burned.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Since a private entity gives out the awards, I don't think there would be any legal issue at all, so long as those rules were spelled out before the year began. To those who think Eclipse Awards for their horses are important, they'd be on notice that, if they play with fire, they might get burned.

Good point. You could have an issue, regardless of a private entity. I am sure their bylaws, rules, etc. could be revised -- but I think you might find an owner, a big owner, who would challange it. Maybe not.

This NJ case is interesting. One question I had was with regard to disclosure. New rule, new policy, etc. -- where does NJ disclose this to the owner? The trainer signs a stall application, but the owner only signs a license application. I should have read it last week when I was at Monmouth. The condition book also spells out a variety of rules as well.

Eric

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

This NJ case is interesting. One question I had was with regard to disclosure. New rule, new policy, etc. -- where does NJ disclose this to the owner? The trainer signs a stall application, but the owner only signs a license application. I should have read it last week when I was at Monmouth. The condition book also spells out a variety of rules as well.

If it's a new rule, then there would probably have to be some sort of public hearing/comment period. Isn't that why NJ's "steroid rules" were just put on hold, when the horsemen challenged the failure to abide by Open Meetings laws? If it's just a stronger penalty, then I would think the administrative agency probably has discretion to set any reasonable penalty (of course, that can be in the eye of the beholder).

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

Good point. You could have an issue, regardless of a private entity. I am sure their bylaws, rules, etc. could be revised -- but I think you might find an owner, a big owner, who would challange it. Maybe not.

Talk about a public relations nightmare. Can you imagine the backlash if such a rule were adopted and some big owner challenged it after the fact?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If it's a new rule, then there would probably have to be some sort of public hearing/comment period. Isn't that why NJ's "steroid rules" were just put on hold, when the horsemen challenged the failure to abide by Open Meetings laws? If it's just a stronger penalty, then I would think the administrative agency probably has discretion to set any reasonable penalty (of course, that can be in the eye of the beholder).

I am really not sure how it played out. There was a great deal of conflicting information. Yes, the horsemen challanged (the process and the unilateral implementation for the the most part, I think). OTOH, you have this standardbred case and out of competition testing long since enacted.

Personally, I was never worried anyway. I knew what they were going to be doing at Monmouth, but I just didn't know the penalties. What worries me is sabotage, contamination, mistakes, etc. That always concern me. They more concern the people who abide by the rules. I think there has to be much more in the way of clarification. If you are going to hold someone accountable -- let them know exactly what for and how high the price is.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sp...lA&oref=slogin


The freakin EPO tests dont seem to work anyway

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sp...lA&oref=slogin


The freakin EPO tests dont seem to work anyway

chuckles, have any of your horses ever failed a drug test ?

[ELA]

Testing will always be a problem. There's more money from the evil than there is from the good. I'd like to see real money thrown at this part of the problem, as well as the others. More modern labs, updated, modernization, etc. Until then, I'd like to see frozen samples for testing purposes, education, and future testing.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

chuckles, have any of your horses ever failed a drug test ?

More importantly, have you ever failed a drug test?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

More importantly, have you ever failed a drug test?

never,
was my question out of line ? i thought maybe this was not the right spot to ask, but i thought that after i asked,

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

never,
was my question out of line ? i thought maybe this was not the right spot to ask, but i thought that after i asked,

Do you have a death wish?

You haven't have heard about the Simon Smasher....

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Scav

Do you have a death wish?

You haven't have heard about the Simon Smasher....

lol no death wish...
and never heard of the simon smasher... tell me about it ?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

lol no death wish...
and never heard of the simon smasher... tell me about it ?

Ask Lezcano or the stewards in Tampa Bay....

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Scav

Ask Lezcano or the stewards in Tampa Bay....

how would i do either of those things ?
i will ask you again, could you please explain ?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

how would i do either of those things ?
i will ask you again, could you please explain ?

Congrats on your hit today.

Buy your children something nice

and lose the "Chuckles"

that's what he means, I think

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

how would i do either of those things ?
i will ask you again, could you please explain ?

How about you just knock 'Chuckles' off before you find out?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Scav

How about you just knock 'Chuckles' off before you find out?

ok, its chuck from now on.
you have my word.