Zenyatta- 103 Beyer

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Anyone have any insight into her confirmation? As a half-sister to Balance by Street Cry, it has always stunned me that she only sold for $60,000?

she was bought before Balance won those races so her she had a relatively plain pedigree page...and big gangly fillies done sell that well, most or uncoordinated and injury prone. This filly is the exception,

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yeah but she did that pretty convincingly. she made Ginger Punch look like a claimer. I do agree that she has to move forward to be in a class like Azeri, but she has moved forward every race so far I believe.

Ginger Punch is just a step above a claimer, she is not that fast and really a very lucky winner of the distaff.

[SlewsMyHero]

She is one horse I would make an effort to see in person. If I still lived on the west coast I would make the effort to get to the track.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ginger Punch is just a step above a claimer, she is not that fast and really a very lucky winner of the distaff.

really? thats funny.

okay, forget about Ginger Punch then if you feel she got lucky and is barely above a claimer, but please tell me which of the unlucky speedy also rans from the distaff would give Zenyatta a lot of trouble.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

really? thats funny.

okay, forget about Ginger Punch then if you feel she got lucky and is barely above a claimer, but please tell me which of the unlucky speedy also rans from the distaff would give Zenyatta a lot of trouble.

Hystericalady probably should have won the Distaff but Ginger Punch is about as far from a claimer as you can get.

[slotdirt]

Didn't Ginger Punch just win a graded race on Oaks day last month?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Hystericalady probably should have won the Distaff but Ginger Punch is about as far from a claimer as you can get.

Hysterical Lady was lucky that the track was a mess, otherwise she finishes worse off than she did.

[pgiaco]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ginger Punch is just a step above a claimer, she is not that fast and really a very lucky winner of the distaff.

Wow.....Could this be a "Post of the Year" candidate?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Hysterical Lady was lucky that the track was a mess, otherwise she finishes worse off than she did.

On what basis are you possibly coming up with that? The mess of a track just as likely hurt her as it helped her. She'd run some big races when she was on fast dirt tracks.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

On what basis are you possibly coming up with that? The mess of a track just as likely hurt her as it helped her. She'd run some big races when she was on fast dirt tracks.

I actually had something typed up but I can't bring myself to complete it. Jim is off his rocker on this one. She ran absolutely f'n huge in that race, where she started on the beach....

he might have typed it wrong because I don't disagree with him this bad, ever

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Hysterical Lady was lucky that the track was a mess, otherwise she finishes worse off than she did.

There's really no evidence for your claim.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ginger Punch is just a step above a claimer, she is not that fast and really a very lucky winner of the distaff.

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

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Originally Posted by smuthg

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

That would be a lot closer to the truth. Ginger Punch has non-racing value that Lava Man doesn't.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Didn't Ginger Punch just win a graded race on Oaks day last month?

yeah, the Louisville... 4 clear of Leah's Secret and 6 lengths in front of Lear's Princess. I was at Oaklawn for her "flop" in the Apple Blossom; that rail was dead as hell all weekend and Ramon put her right on it...

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Originally Posted by smuthg

Three Grade 1's, two Grade 2's and "Champion" Status... that's like saying Lava Man is your average claimer...

I think Lava Man caught a period of severe down time in socal, claimer probably not but to me he is not a legit grade 1 horse, at least how I look at him compared to oh, say Best Pal in his prime.

Ginger Punch has never ran very fast, in fact she is slower then a horse like Eight Belles, and much slower then Zenyatta who still has not run very fast. I said she is above claimer, but on figures not by much.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think Lava Man caught a period of severe down time in socal, claimer probably not but to me he is not a legit grade 1 horse, at least how I look at him compared to oh, say Best Pal in his prime.

Ginger Punch has never ran very fast, in fact she is slower then a horse like Eight Belles, and much slower then Zenyatta who still has not run very fast. I said she is above claimer, but on figures not by much.

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

And Beyers, and brisnet.

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Originally Posted by Scav

Slower based off what?

I know TG wise, she was faster then Eight Belles, although that is a bad comparsion becuase of 3 year old vs 4 year old

yea, older horse Ginger Punch has a 104 beyer and Eight Belles has a 102 so she is slower.

Look Ginger Punch is ok, but a 104 beyer is like 7 points behind azeri's top figures, and many of the bettor filles the past decade would drown her, such as Azeri and Riboletta.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, older horse Ginger Punch has a 104 beyer and Eight Belles has a 102 so she is slower.

Look Ginger Punch is ok, but a 104 beyer is like 7 points behind azeri's top figures, and many of the bettor filles the past decade would drown her, such as Azeri and Riboletta.

You're right. That kills the "Ginger Punch = Azeri" argument so many of us were trying to make.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right. That kills the "Ginger Punch = Azeri" argument so many of us were trying to make.

just pointing out her 3 grade 1's, champion this and that.....its a paper tiger, she would get drown by the likes of Imperial Gesture who was a pretty average 3yo filly.