Electrify and Big Brown

[eajinabi]

Same Card, Same distance but Electrify runs faster as far as times are concerned. the 1-2-3 finishers Forever Whirl stakes go 1-2-3 all around the track. Fl Derby doesnt have any closers even though thier were blistering fractions early and Tomicito was running passed dead horses. As of now I dont see BB winning the KY Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think the aim was just to start up about the 20th Big Brown thread in the last few days.

[jcs11204]

i wont have him on 1 ticket in the derby, think hes a total bet against... not on a pick 3 or pick 4, nothing

[eajinabi]

I really dont see how impressive his performance was considering it wasnt even faster than the other mile and one eighth race carded on the same day.

[Indian Charlie]

i was thinking that perhaps big brown's performance is being a tad bit overrated, but now that pg1985 has given him his endorsement, i think he's a lock to win the triple crown, then do the travers/arc double, capped off with a facile 42 length win against curlin in the bc classic.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I really dont see how impressive his performance was considering it wasnt even faster than the other mile and one eighth race carded on the same day.

There was another nine-furlong race that day, a Grade II for fillies, and it was run nearly four seconds slower than Electrify and Big Brown's times.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There was another nine-furlong race that day, a Grade II for fillies, and it was run nearly four seconds slower than Electrify and Big Brown's times.

O c'mon ateam

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i wont have him on 1 ticket in the derby, think hes a total bet against... not on a pick 3 or pick 4, nothing

Ahhh... A repeat of Saturday's clever Curlin Strategem, eh?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

O c'mon ateam

What? It's a fact. If you want to say the track was souped up after the ninth or the slow pace in the Bonnie Miss helped create the slow time (both valid arguments), that's fine. What you can't say is..

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I really dont see how impressive his performance was considering it wasnt even faster than the other mile and one eighth race carded on the same day.

..when there was a Grade II nine-furlong race that was run nearly four seconds slower.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? It's a fact. If you want to say the track was souped up after the ninth or the slow pace in the Bonnie Miss helped create the slow time (both valid arguments), that's fine. What you can't say is..



..when there was a Grade II nine-furlong race that was run nearly four seconds slower.

Because it's intentionally misleading and irrelevant.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because it's intentionally misleading and irrelevant.

Nah, I don't think so. I think that mentioning one nine-furlong race and completely ignoring the other is misleading.

And why is one extremely fast race more relevant than one extremely slow race? Electrify wins in 1:47 4/5 and that means the track was a freeway, but Shes All Eltish goes 1:51 4/5 and that's irrelevant?

Personally, I don't think either race means a whole hell of a lot in analyzing Big Brown's performance. I'm not gonna go nuts over Big Brown's time based solely on Shes All Eltish's, but I'm also not gonna call it phony based solely on Electrify's.

[cmorioles]

It also isn't true the Bonnie Miss pace was slow. For the speed of the track at the time, it was normal.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Seriously?

I am no fan of the horse, but what wasn't impressive about it? He won from an impossible post, set quick fractions and kept going. Not to mention, I think it was the fastest prep yet. Did you have your eyes open when you were watching the race? Maybe that's it.

Not to mention, Electrify is pretty good, especially compared to the current crop of older horses not named Curlin.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I really dont see how impressive his performance was considering it wasnt even faster than the other mile and one eighth race carded on the same day.

The other mile-and-an-eighth race was won by a margin of nearly 9 lengths. It's feasible, at least, that that was another outstanding performance.

--Dunbar

[slotdirt]

I'd definitely agree it's feasible, but probable? I'm just thinking back to all the blowout Derby prep winners of the last five years who, for the most part, ran like absolute nags in the Derby.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah, in terms of betting the Derby, I suppose thinking he will not reproduce the effort makes sense. I guess I was more curious how his effort in the Florida Derby could be described as anything but impressive. What more could he have done besides break the track record?

Yeah, and those track records at Gulfstream are so prestigious. Are there any left from before the reconfiguration?

[slotdirt]

Well, there was no arguing in 2006 that Sinister Minister's Blue Grass was awfully darn impressive, yet we all knew the horse had no chance come Derby day.

[slotdirt]

Though Sinister Minister might not be the best example. As DrugS said yesterday, I think Bellamy Road is a much more apt comparison to Big Brown.

[slotdirt]

I do; see my post after that one.

He's a nice horse that had a big race.

I can't get all goo goo gah gah over him due to the trainer. If you add a top hat, monocle, tuxedo, umbrella and cigarette with the holder, you've got a spitting image of The Penguin. With the laugh to boot.