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Old 02-01-2008, 09:10 AM
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Default 2008 Breeders Cup Classic Futures

Seriously...
They're now available at Wynn.
As ridiculous as it seems to place a future wager on a race nearly 9 months away, it's even moreso with the uncertainty of what the Santa Anita track will even be during the Oaktree meet.

For laughs, here are the odds. And yes, step right up to get 2-1 on Curlin right now.

AP Arrow 20-1
Air Commander 60-1
Awesome Gem 20-1
Blackberry Road 75-1
Brass Hat 35-1
Chelokee 25-1
Colonel John 50-1
Country Star 60-1
Court Vision 60-1
Curlin 2-1
Daaher 25-1
Diamond Stripes 30-1
Einstein 60-1
El Gato Malo 30-1
Etched 100-1
Fairbanks 40-1
Grasshopper 10-1
Great Hunter 75-1
Into Mischief 75-1
Kodiac Kowboy 100-1
Majestic Warrior 60-1
Monba 60-1
Pyro 50-1
Ravel 50-1
Slew's Tiznow 75-1
Student Council 40-1
Tale of Ekati 100-1
Tiago 12-1
War Pass 20-1
Z Humor 100-1
Zanjero 30-1
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:18 AM
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There arent too many bargins for a race in 9 months
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:43 AM
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Those odds are embarassingly low. Hell, i got Ghostzapper in May of '04 @ 25-1. 10-1 on Grasshopper is almost as ridiculous as 2-1 on Curlin, I'd put it at 10-1 for him to even make it in the gate!
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Old 02-01-2008, 09:46 AM
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Those odds are embarassingly low. Hell, i got Ghostzapper in May of '04 @ 25-1. 10-1 on Grasshopper is almost as ridiculous as 2-1 on Curlin, I'd put it at 10-1 for him to even make it in the gate!
What about 12-1 on Tiago? Or 25-1 on Chelokee?
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:02 AM
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What about 12-1 on Tiago? Or 25-1 on Chelokee?
seriously. what happened to responsible bookmaking?!?!?
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:23 AM
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I thought 20-1 on AP Arrow was kind of funny.
Isnt he like 15-1 in the Donn this weekend?
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:29 AM
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AP Arrow 20-1
Air Commander 60-1
Awesome Gem 20-1
Blackberry Road 75-1
Brass Hat 35-1
Chelokee 25-1
Colonel John 50-1
Country Star 60-1
Court Vision 60-1
Curlin 2-1
Daaher 25-1
Diamond Stripes 30-1
Einstein 60-1
El Gato Malo 30-1
Etched 100-1
Fairbanks 40-1
Grasshopper 10-1
Great Hunter 75-1
Into Mischief 75-1
Kodiac Kowboy 100-1
Majestic Warrior 60-1
Monba 60-1
Pyro 50-1
Ravel 50-1
Slew's Tiznow 75-1
Student Council 40-1
Tale of Ekati 100-1
Tiago 12-1
War Pass 20-1
Z Humor 100-1
Zanjero 30-1
I started to quote you and take out all the ones that weren't outrageous but gave up, they're all outrageous.

Then again, I took 50-1 on Cowboy Cal in a Derby future, so maybe I'm not the best judge of a good bet these days.
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:34 AM
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Diamond Stripes at 30-1 after his off-the-board finish vs statebreds last Saturday is pretty sweet.
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:36 AM
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What kind of odds can I get on "none of the above"?
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:43 AM
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What kind of odds can I get on "none of the above"?
2/5
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:56 AM
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seriously. what happened to responsible bookmaking?!?!?
Just Ridiculous.

Quoting Roger Stein " They should have a sign in Vegas, No Gambling Allowed "
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Old 02-01-2008, 12:35 PM
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30-1 on Zanjero made me laugh
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:00 PM
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25-1 on Daaher is the only price that's even rational.
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:01 PM
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If forced to choose one of the above, would probably take the 25-1 on Daaher.
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Old 02-01-2008, 01:03 PM
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30-1 on Zanjero made me laugh
The sharps are on to him. Trust.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:44 PM
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I know many handicappers who take advantage of the future wagers. Last year, one had 100 to win on Any Given Saturday at 40-1. With that wager, he was completely able to avoid using AGS in the race. It's a great way to hedge.

Certainly picking a race 9 months from now is difficult, but that's why you're getting some great prices. Curlin @ 2-1... terrible. But for a horse like Pyro, at 50-1, if he developes and does well, he could be 8-1 in the actual gate.

If you can find 10 horses at average odds of 50-1, and plunk $10 to win on each, you're spending $100, but if one of those horses wins, you get $500. That's not terrible. If 4 of those 10 make the gate at the BC, that's 4 less horses you have to place wagers on.

I don't think future wagers are the craziest thing out there. Slots machines, roulette etc... now that's crazy.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:46 PM
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Just to add a bit more, we also have to realize that a good chunk of the good horses from last year have retired, Curlin being the exception. The Zanjero's and A.P. Arrow's of the world moved-up a ton with the purging of so many handicap horses.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:52 PM
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Future odds are not crazy at all. But in this day in age of retirement after you run great once, the odds of getting to the race are so large that they don't warrant anything less then 100-1
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:58 PM
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Futures are only good if you get legitimate odds. There dont seem to be many on that list.
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Old 02-01-2008, 04:12 PM
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just so you might not have to go back to page one to see the list...

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

AP Arrow 20-1
Air Commander 60-1
Awesome Gem 20-1
Blackberry Road 75-1
Brass Hat 35-1
Chelokee 25-1
Colonel John 50-1
Country Star 60-1
Court Vision 60-1
Curlin 2-1
Daaher 25-1
Diamond Stripes 30-1
Einstein 60-1
El Gato Malo 30-1
Etched 100-1
Fairbanks 40-1
Grasshopper 10-1
Great Hunter 75-1
Into Mischief 75-1
Kodiac Kowboy 100-1
Majestic Warrior 60-1
Monba 60-1
Pyro 50-1
Ravel 50-1
Slew's Tiznow 75-1
Student Council 40-1
Tale of Ekati 100-1
Tiago 12-1
War Pass 20-1
Z Humor 100-1
Zanjero 30-1


I guess if I had to take a low odds horse I would settle on 75-1 for Blackberry Road. He owes me.
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