TVG moron / spill in the 9th at TP

[MaTH716]

I a not sure who the guy is that they have in the TVG studio tonight , but they just had the 9th from Turf Paradise. A horse broke down (the #7) on the turn and another on stumbled over him (not sure of a # but it was a grey horse) causing the jockey to go flying. The track announcer missed it. Then the jerk in the studio mentions something about closers doing well at TP and doesn't say anything about the spill. I hope all involved are ok, but it certainly didn't look good. You would think that an all horse racing channel would at least mention horses and jockies that are involved in a spill. Then again it is TVG.

Mike Valpredo. I think his dad is big in the industry.

[MISTERGEE]

by the way how is the guy who fell at med on thur night. i think it was King

[MaTH716]

From the Big M website:
Jockey Navin Mangalee has been released from Hackensack University Medical Center with only minor injuries following a racing accident on Thursday night at the Meadowlands.

Mangalee was unseated when his mount Iwoman stumbled at the start of the sixth race.

[MISTERGEE]

not that one. im talking about the spill on the turf race later on

[bobwhite71]

I don't contribute to this list very often (hardly ever, as a amatter of fact), but I also would LOVE to know why TVG almost virtually ignores breakdowns in its coverage of racing. I believe they owe it to concerned viewers to fill us in on the status of the jockeys and horses............. Pretending that nothing serious has happened to the animal is particularly troubling. Do they think that ignoring what has obviously happened will somehow fool the knowledgeable viewer that terrible accidents can and do happen and should not be minimized? It is a serious lapse IMO. I don't think they should replay such moments on and on ad infinitum (many times in slow motion) as some major networks do, but puh-LEEZE give us all the courtesy of respecting our intelligence and allowing us to make our own judgements about what has happened.

In addition, to go on cheerfully preparing for and/or handicapping the next race at whatever racetrack without breaking stride (forgive the awful pun here) borders on the obscene.

Eileen Weston
bobwhite71

[azerica]

Grrr!!! I hate when they neglect to mention the outcome of both rider and horse. Do they think we are so into the money that we are not concerned about the equine athelete? I have emailed TVG on several occassions asking to be given updates on both atheletes but they never answered. So I stopped trying......

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I a not sure who the guy is that they have in the TVG studio tonight , but they just had the 9th from Turf Paradise. A horse broke down (the #7) on the turn and another on stumbled over him (not sure of a # but it was a grey horse) causing the jockey to go flying. The track announcer missed it. Then the jerk in the studio mentions something about closers doing well at TP and doesn't say anything about the spill. I hope all involved are ok, but it certainly didn't look good. You would think that an all horse racing channel would at least mention horses and jockies that are involved in a spill. Then again it is TVG.

I happened to have TVG on for a late race at Turf Paradise Saturday. I had a wager on the Baymeadows 8th, and the Oak Tree 10th.

I'm not positive we're talking about the same race, but if so, in the race I saw at Turf Paradise the TVG announcer did mention the spill. It just wasn't right after the race concluded. I remember them saying they would try to get more information as they could, but I had moved on to other things before I ever heard.

[jballscalls]

Its a tough line to tow as far as reporting on accidents during races. Personally if i see a horse pulling up, being eased or that has broken down or unseated the rider, i will always mention it. I think its a no doubter that whatever happens in the race should be reported.

The trickier spot is after the race/incident. The problem is, that reporting the truth is not always easy. There are many times that from the roof, you can see that a horse is on the track or has clearly broken down and probably will be put down. However i personally choose not to announce the horses condition over the PA if that is the case. I will usually just say the horse is down or standing well. As far as the rider, if there is no movement or very little i will usually state the rider is down and being attended to. If i can see movement or positive signals i will always report that info.

Its a tough line to tow, simply because you want to get people as much information as possible, but you also dont want to be announcing and speculating on the horse and or jockeys condition when you just don tknow. Plus, even though many of us do realize that accidents and breakdowns are part of the game, many novice fans dont, and thus is it in the best interests of recruiting new fans to the game by telling them a beautiful animal will have to be put down?

Curious to know what people think about this issue.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

I happened to have TVG on for a late race at Turf Paradise Saturday. I had a wager on the Baymeadows 8th, and the Oak Tree 10th.

I'm not positive we're talking about the same race, but if so, in the race I saw at Turf Paradise the TVG announcer did mention the spill. It just wasn't right after the race concluded. I remember them saying they would try to get more information as they could, but I had moved on to other things before I ever heard.

Just checked, and I did see the race. I remember the horse "Cache on the Table."

http://www.turfparadise.com/

Here's a link to the chart. Bustopher Jr., (76-1 in a $3,500 claimer) is the horse who broke down. Allover Silver, at 78-1, fell trying to avoid. Junior Don B. was eased because of the spill, and then walked off.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

Its a tough line to tow as far as reporting on accidents during races. Personally if i see a horse pulling up, being eased or that has broken down or unseated the rider, i will always mention it. I think its a no doubter that whatever happens in the race should be reported.

The trickier spot is after the race/incident. The problem is, that reporting the truth is not always easy. There are many times that from the roof, you can see that a horse is on the track or has clearly broken down and probably will be put down. However i personally choose not to announce the horses condition over the PA if that is the case. I will usually just say the horse is down or standing well. As far as the rider, if there is no movement or very little i will usually state the rider is down and being attended to. If i can see movement or positive signals i will always report that info.

Its a tough line to tow, simply because you want to get people as much information as possible, but you also dont want to be announcing and speculating on the horse and or jockeys condition when you just don tknow.

Curious to know what people think about this issue.

jballscalls, aside from the new fan aspect, your strategy is exactly what I want as a long time racing fan. Nice reasoning.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

I happened to have TVG on for a late race at Turf Paradise Saturday. I had a wager on the Baymeadows 8th, and the Oak Tree 10th.

I'm not positive we're talking about the same race, but if so, in the race I saw at Turf Paradise the TVG announcer did mention the spill. It just wasn't right after the race concluded. I remember them saying they would try to get more information as they could, but I had moved on to other things before I ever heard.

He did mention something, unfortunatley he stated it as an incident that happened at the starting gate and that they would try to get more information. I do not know if that information ever came, but the description of the incident was wrong. Anyone who was watching the race (myself included) was probably more incensed with the fact that they never mentioned it after the race and now they were reporting on it incorrectly. And anyone who didn't see the race probaly just thought that a horse bolted or dropped the jock at the start of the race. They have no idea on the severity of the incident. Does anyone at TVG watch these races?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

Its a tough line to tow as far as reporting on accidents during races. Personally if i see a horse pulling up, being eased or that has broken down or unseated the rider, i will always mention it. I think its a no doubter that whatever happens in the race should be reported.

The trickier spot is after the race/incident. The problem is, that reporting the truth is not always easy. There are many times that from the roof, you can see that a horse is on the track or has clearly broken down and probably will be put down. However i personally choose not to announce the horses condition over the PA if that is the case. I will usually just say the horse is down or standing well. As far as the rider, if there is no movement or very little i will usually state the rider is down and being attended to. If i can see movement or positive signals i will always report that info.

Its a tough line to tow, simply because you want to get people as much information as possible, but you also dont want to be announcing and speculating on the horse and or jockeys condition when you just don tknow. Plus, even though many of us do realize that accidents and breakdowns are part of the game, many novice fans dont, and thus is it in the best interests of recruiting new fans to the game by telling them a beautiful animal will have to be put down?

Curious to know what people think about this issue.

I really do not fault the track anouncers if they do not see it. Hell, if Denman could miss Street Sense shooting up the rail in the BC, then missing a spill midpack on the backstretch in a race with a full field is understandable. If seen by the anouncer, then all I am looking for is an acknowledgement that something happened. I am sure that there were people who did not see the spill who were wondering what the hell happened to thier horse. After the race, if you want to report that the jock is up, walking around or maybe something else that is positive. I understand that these spills usually have a bad ending for the horses and sometimes the jocks. No one is asking you to speculate on a horse or jocks condition from where you are or be the bearer of bad news. No one wants to hear commentary when that sheet comes out or someone is going in the ambulance. But for a network, which covers racing exclusively this is unacceptable. I do not care if this is not one of thier major tracks. It was a race that they COVERED and to miss the incident totally is ridiculous. Then to misreport it as a starting gate mishap is unacceptable. I really wonder if they did follow up the incident with and accurate follow up report.

I've been on the air at TVG when there have been spills. I know that their policy is to inform the viewers about the condition of both the horse and jockey as soon as possible. A call is always made immediately to the track where the incident occured. That is where sometimes the process slows as it's often difficult to get the right people you trust to be willing to disseminate information that is confirmed as accurate. Meanwhile the producers and talent have to continue presenting a live broadcast. People at TVG are just like the rest of us. Fans of the game with great care for the horses and jockeys at all times.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I've been on the air at TVG when there have been spills. I know that their policy is to inform the viewers about the condition of both the horse and jockey as soon as possible. A call is always made immediately to the track where the incident occured. That is where sometimes the process slows as it's often difficult to get the right people you trust to be willing to disseminate information that is confirmed as accurate. Meanwhile the producers and talent have to continue presenting a live broadcast. People at TVG are just like the rest of us. Fans of the game with great care for the horses and jockeys at all times.

Like Ronnie and Whodey?

I'm sorry I don't know what that means?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'm sorry I don't know what that means?

You're a lucky man.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

You're a lucky man.

OK. Good to know.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

From the Big M website:
Jockey Navin Mangalee has been released from Hackensack University Medical Center with only minor injuries following a racing accident on Thursday night at the Meadowlands.

Mangalee was unseated when his mount Iwoman stumbled at the start of the sixth race.

oh no! Navin's wife is a friend of mine from college. I am glad he is out of the hospital.