i have seen the light....

hoovesupsideyourhead · #1 05-19-2007, 06:08 PM

the bounce theory is real....

c.q. bounces of a huge effort in the derby...did he finish yet?

Cajungator26 · #2 05-19-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

the bounce theory is real....

c.q. bounces of a huge effort in the derby...did he finish yet?

Hard Spun was the real bounce candidate, and IMO the jury is out on whether or not his 3rd place finish was because he actually bounced or because he was moved too soon.

ArlJim78 · #3 05-19-2007, 06:16 PM

yes, will someone please now give the eulogy for the bounce theory, and to the idea that horses can't run back to back strong races two weeks apart, or that a big effort in the derby 'guts' a horse so you can't expect anything from them anymore?

Antitrust32 · #4 05-19-2007, 06:16 PM

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Can't really tell if you are kidding or not, but I think today's result hopefully puts a little of the bounce theory crap, which is what it is to rest. Street Sense obviously didn't bounce and IMO Hard Spun didn't either. Hard Spun was the victim of moving 3 wide into a suicide pace but held well for 3rd. Good horses can run good races without regressing.

I dont care if Hard Spun ran the half in 50 flat, he wasnt going to be near Curlin and SS at the end.

His third was like Curlins third in the Derby, nonfactor at the finish.

Cajungator26 · #5 05-19-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont care if Hard Spun ran the half in 50 flat, he wasnt going to be near Curlin and SS at the end.

His third was like Curlins third in the Derby, nonfactor at the finish.

WRONG. Unfortunately, there's no way of proving that, but I think you're wrong. He was tired from being moved too early... had he not been tired, he would have been right up there IMO.

ArlJim78 · #6 05-19-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hard Spun was the real bounce candidate, and IMO the jury is out on whether or not his 3rd place finish was because he actually bounced or because he was moved too soon.

he didn't bounce, like andy would say normal race dynamics shuffled the order a bit from the derby. he ran his race, a very credible race.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 05-19-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

yes, will someone please now give the eulogy for the bounce theory, and to the idea that horses can't run back to back strong races two weeks apart, or that a big effort in the derby 'guts' a horse so you can't expect anything from them anymore?

ding ding ding we have a winner..

Gauchos0522 · #8 05-19-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he didn't bounce, like andy would say normal race dynamics shuffled the order a bit from the derby. he ran his race, a very credible race.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Making a middle move into a 3/4 in 1:09 and change will take some toll on ya and he was still around in the stretch. Another very solid performance by a very likeable and hard working horse imo.

ArlJim78 · #9 05-19-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gauchos0522

Couldn't have said it better myself. Making a middle move into a 3/4 in 1:09 and change will take some toll on ya and he was still around in the stretch. Another very solid performance by a very likeable and hard working horse imo.

yes the top three are all very nice horses, that's why i said earlier in the week that I thought the Preakness would have the same trifecta as the derby.

what Curlin has done in such a short time is simply incredible.

Mortimer · #10 05-19-2007, 06:23 PM

Fine work Hossy.

I give up on my poor little horsey CQ.

A same finish for the Belmont might not be such a bad thing to say right now.

whorstman · #11 05-19-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hard Spun was the real bounce candidate, and IMO the jury is out on whether or not his 3rd place finish was because he actually bounced or because he was moved too soon.

I think moved too soon Cajun, cause he didn't stop running. CP west could have passed him (which would have jacked my tri up

), but he held on, kept running.

Cajungator26 · #12 05-19-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whorstman

I think moved too soon Cajun, cause he didn't stop running. CP west could have passed him (which would have jacked my tri up

), but he held on, kept running.

Which is why I love the horse... such a game little colt.

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 05-19-2007, 06:27 PM

I'm not so sure anyone really ran a markedly better or worse race than they ran in the Derby.

Curlin may have been beaten better than 8 lengths by Street Sense---but, his trip was probably 8 lengths more difficult. Street Sense didn't have a trip of a lifetime this time, and he hung late again like he did in the Derby--he ran everybit as well as in the Derby.

Circular Quay is a one-turn miler---in both races he was just flat through the lane...and passing everything that was exhusted.

Hard Spun didn't run as well as he did in the KY Derby--but, he's a horse that prefers front-running tactics...which he was denied in the Preakness.

This was a painfully logical outcome to this race---and I see no one bouncing nor jumping forward off their derby efforts.

brockguy · #14 05-19-2007, 06:27 PM

very odd to see quick fractions and Hard Spun moving so early....

hoovesupsideyourhead · #15 05-19-2007, 06:34 PM

matz has no choice but to take on the best in the belmont..after a easy work like win in the barbero..id send em..they surly wont want to see a fresh er chelokee

whorstman · #16 05-19-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

matz has no choice but to take on the best in the belmont..after a easy work like win in the barbero..id send em..they surly wont want to see a fresh er chelokee

You ain't lying there dog. Weak 100,000 winners share check!

Riot · #17 05-19-2007, 08:13 PM

The way I saw it, was here's Hard Spun's choice - move and get ahead of the two he knows are going to be stopping like rocks heading into the turn, or get hung out three or four wide on the turn trying to get around them, then get back down to the rail. The horse was in control of the race at that point, there was a ton of horse there. It may have turned out to have been early, but there was a choice to be made at that point, and I don't see the bad in it. This is an awesome horse.

Curlin - can't wait to see what he is in the fall, when he matures a bit, against older. Ohmygawd ...

Street Sense - class act.

What an absolutely terrific race!

Riot · #18 05-19-2007, 08:14 PM

Oh, yeah .... C P West?

Go, Sumwon's sire, Came Home!

ArlJim78 · #19 05-19-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

The way I saw it, was here's Hard Spun's choice - move and get ahead of the two he knows are going to be stopping like rocks heading into the turn, or get hung out three or four wide on the turn trying to get around them, then get back down to the rail. The horse was in control of the race at that point, there was a ton of horse there. It may have turned out to have been early, but there was a choice to be made at that point, and I don't see the bad in it. This is an awesome horse.

Curlin - can't wait to see what he is in the fall, when he matures a bit, against older. Ohmygawd ...

Street Sense - class act.

What an absolutely terrific race!

The cream has risen to the top twice now.
It certainly has been two very entertaining and enjoyable races, these first two classics.