Romne and being mormon

skippy3481 · #1 02-13-2007, 06:04 PM

I have been reading about him in the paper recently, as well as watching him on tv. He thinks that being mormon will help him win voters. What does everyone else think? Is being mormon going to help, hinder, or be no factor as his presidental bid ramps up?

brianwspencer · #2 02-13-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481

I have been reading about him in the paper recently, as well as watching him on tv. He thinks that being mormon will help him win voters. What does everyone else think? Is being mormon going to help, hinder, or be no factor as his presidental bid ramps up?

Not sure about being a Mormon and how that will help or hurt him.

On the other hand, his being a complete idiot should have some pretty negative consequences.

GPK · #3 02-13-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481

I have been reading about him in the paper recently, as well as watching him on tv. He thinks that being mormon will help him win voters. What does everyone else think? Is being mormon going to help, hinder, or be no factor as his presidental bid ramps up?

Chad, I wouldn't think that it would benefit him a great deal, but then again he got elected Governor to an ultra liberal state (Mass). Everything I have ever read about him seems to point to a very bright financial mind and keen sense of business. I think his relative anonymity, especially in the south would hurt him.

skippy3481 · #4 02-13-2007, 06:30 PM

Thats kinda where im leaning kev, the guy seems bright but if this guy pushes his agenda of being a mormon, im not sure how these right wing people will vote for him.

GPK · #5 02-13-2007, 06:32 PM

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Thats kinda where im leaning kev, the guy seems bright but if this guy pushes his agenda of being a mormon, im not sure how these right wing people will vote for him.

As you well know, I was born and raised in the South. I can tell you now...it (his Mormon agenda) will not fly down here.

GPK · #6 02-13-2007, 07:06 PM

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What "mormon agenda"?

maybe "agenda" was the wrong word to use Baba...but the guy is not too afraid to make his conservative feelings known. I know you may find this hard to believe...but the guy has been known to talk out of both sides of his mouth. Imagine that...coming from a politician.

GPK · #7 02-13-2007, 07:33 PM

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Ahh, ok. I thought I was missing something.

nope...not at all...maybe just a little quick with my words there.

brianwspencer · #8 02-13-2007, 07:57 PM

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the guy has been known to talk out of both sides of his mouth.

He just happens to be a bit more obvious than most. And he happens to do it with a little more regularity than most. He's never going to have a chance in hell, because he's not even ever been on the national stage, and people stillalready know that he can't make up his mind what he believes or what he stands for. That sort of non-committal attitude is best reserved for when one has actually already made a name for themselves.

So far, I'm pretty sure the only thing that is believable from him and is not just sideways-talk, is the fact that he's a Mormon. The rest has thus far been nothing more than blatant pandering to what he thinks is the base he's trying to sway.

Sam "Brian W. Spencer's least favorite human being in the world besides Pat Robertson" Brownback has a better chance than he does of becoming President....which is to say, still zero.

GPK · #9 02-13-2007, 08:03 PM

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He just happens to be a bit more obvious than most. And he happens to do it with a little more regularity than most. He's never going to have a chance in hell, because he's not even ever been on the national stage, and people stillalready know that he can't make up his mind what he believes or what he stands for. That sort of non-committal attitude is best reserved for when one has actually already made a name for themselves.

So far, I'm pretty sure the only thing that is believable from him and is not just sideways-talk, is the fact that he's a Mormon. The rest has thus far been nothing more than blatant pandering to what he thinks is the base he's trying to sway.

Sam "Brian W. Spencer's least favorite human being in the world besides Pat Robertson" Brownback has a better chance than he does of becoming President....which is to say, still zero.

SO....you are essentially calling the majority of the state of Mass. idiots then?

#10 02-13-2007, 08:35 PM

Mom: So, what kind of animals do you think we will see at the zoo?

Small boy: I think elephants and snakes... Mom? Are there also pretend things there, like dinosaurs and God?

Mom: I think we need to have a talk when we get home.

randallscott35 · #11 02-13-2007, 08:42 PM

Speak of the devil. There is a documentary about Mormons on ABC right now. A bit whacked out, at least the crew in Utah...Romney has only 1 wife so far.

skippy3481 · #12 02-13-2007, 10:45 PM

Baba,
I saw him on a network news show( i can't remember which one) saying that he was going to educate the united states on the mormon religion during his campaign. I could care less what religion he is, I was just wondering how people saw that hurting or helping his chances.

brianwspencer · #13 02-13-2007, 11:04 PM

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SO....you are essentially calling the majority of the state of Mass. idiots then?

it's much easier to trick a state in a gubernatorial campaign because most people don't really follow them to begin with. it's a lot easier to talk both sides in a state campaign when every national network doesn't pick up discrepancies, so being elected in a statewide campaign like governor doesn't hold the same sway when going to a national platform.

so my comment has nothing to do with the people of massachusetts, but just with the fact that romney is going to be on thin ice when national media starts breaking him down.

Danzig · #14 02-14-2007, 06:33 AM

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Not sure about being a Mormon and how that will help or hurt him.

On the other hand, his being a complete idiot should have some pretty negative consequences.

i don't know a whole lot about him..

as to his religion, it doesn't matter to me at all-i don't see where it would help or hinder. but that's my personal opinion. it does matter to some. i think people getting up in arms about the congressman who is a muslim using the koran to take his oath was asinine.

Danzig · #15 02-14-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by skippy3481

Baba,
I saw him on a network news show( i can't remember which one) saying that he was going to educate the united states on the mormon religion during his campaign. I could care less what religion he is, I was just wondering how people saw that hurting or helping his chances.

if we wanted an education, we'd go back to school. now, if he wants to explain how he's going to keep spending down, as well as taxes, and cut fraud and waste, i'd love to hear it!

somerfrost · #16 02-14-2007, 10:04 AM

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if we wanted an education, we'd go back to school. now, if he wants to explain how he's going to keep spending down, as well as taxes, and cut fraud and waste, i'd love to hear it!

I agree...don't see religion playing a huge role in his case. Now if he were to actually somehow get the nomination...he could have issues regarding same...I would hope not, in my opinion there is an endless list of reasons not to vote for him but religion would never be one...besides, if America will tolerate a Mormon, maybe someday a Wiccan?

Danzig · #17 02-14-2007, 02:08 PM

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I agree...don't see religion playing a huge role in his case. Now if he were to actually somehow get the nomination...he could have issues regarding same...I would hope not, in my opinion there is an endless list of reasons not to vote for him but religion would never be one...besides, if America will tolerate a Mormon, maybe someday a Wiccan?

yeah, maybe....wouldn't bother me. i don't think religion should enter into it. altho i have to admit that i wouldn't vote for a pat robertson type...bush imo is scary enough with his god told me to stuff. but i've always felt religion was a private deal, between every person and his or her god(s)..

skippy3481 · #18 02-14-2007, 08:49 PM

I Disagree. I think religion has a great deal to do with it because it shapes how many of us make decisions. If you wouldn't vote for a pat robertson type then obviously, it does matter. Organized religion is not private. Your relationship with your god or god(s) is. When you go to a church, temple, mosque etc(sorry somer was going to include you as well but sadly, I know very little of the wiccan faith) your going there to worship with other people, and not by yourself. Now, The time you spent in contemplation/prayer i believe is personal.

Danzig · #19 02-15-2007, 07:05 AM

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I Disagree. I think religion has a great deal to do with it because it shapes how many of us make decisions. If you wouldn't vote for a pat robertson type then obviously, it does matter. Organized religion is not private. Your relationship with your god or god(s) is. When you go to a church, temple, mosque etc(sorry somer was going to include you as well but sadly, I know very little of the wiccan faith) your going there to worship with other people, and not by yourself. Now, The time you spent in contemplation/prayer i believe is personal.

what i meant was that i understand most people have faith, and that faith is their business. they have to explain their feelings and ideas on many things-i don't care how they reached their ideas, i just want to know what they are, so i can decide if that is the person i want to vote for. i don't know what pat robertsons view was on much of anything, except his religion. so, if i wanted him as a pastor, i may have chosen him-but as president i don't know of anything that would have qualified him.

GenuineRisk · #20 02-15-2007, 01:24 PM

Romney ran, and was elected, as a moderate. Since going after the national stage he's been running away from a lot of his earlier positions, which is tough in a day and age where most of what you say finds it's way onto the internet. So he looks like a hypocrite. Or, more precisely, like he's pandering to the ultra-right-wingers, who are generally considered to be essential to winning the primary. Which is exactly what he's doing. Other politicians manage to make it look a bit less obvious than he does.