huge atrab show weds...crist beyer,andy steve

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

all the icons of capping ....

[blackthroatedwind]

I think that show is tomorrow.

[Cajungator26]

I hope Helen Pitts is on. I want to hear about Gatorize...

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

really..damn..oh well ..really big show weds...lol

[Gander]

I hope Helen Pitts is on. I want to hear about Gatorize...

Einstein is running tomorrow. It would be nice to hear how he is coming into this race.

Any opinion on his chances tomorrow?

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Gander

I hope Helen Pitts is on. I want to hear about Gatorize...

Einstein is running tomorrow. It would be nice to hear how he is coming into this race.

Any opinion on his chances tomorrow?

I like the horse, but haven't looked at the race so I can't really say. But I like Einstein. I hope he does well.

Originally Posted by Gander

I hope Helen Pitts is on. I want to hear about Gatorize...

Einstein is running tomorrow. It would be nice to hear how he is coming into this race.

Any opinion on his chances tomorrow?

Prepping for the GPBC on Feb 25 at 1 3/8. If Gun Salute at Tampa effort is any indication of Einstein (poor correlation here) I'd tread lightly. GS packed it in on the turn, off the board, but he was off a year, don't know Einsteins local doings since last year.

[Gander]

I guess some would say Einstein is a better horse on the dirt. Thats very possible. I wont be playing him tomorrow. Just wanted to hear what some thought.

[blackthroatedwind]

Einstein is a better horse on turf. His only semi-decent dirt race was an off-the-turf race in the slop.

In all likelihood only Einstein or, more likely, After Market will win that race tomorrow. I suppose any horse out of Pletcher's barn is dangerous, as who knows what is going to show up on the racetrack, so perhaps Tiganello has an outside chance. The rest are complete pretenders.

[Gander]

I suppose After Market can win with an absolute perfect trip off some solid fractions. Einstein probably wont be fully cranked and I really think he has to run one of his better races to win here. Electric Light could be a handful and so too could Touch of Madness. I wouldnt be surprised if those two ran 1-2 the whole way around the track. Whoever makes the lead out of those 2 is the winner.

[blackthroatedwind]

Electric Light has next to no chance. He crawled on the lead, against significantly lesser horses, and faces significantly more pace pressure, by better horses, tomorrow.

I believe that After Market was overrated last year, as he did get favorable setups in his wins ( which I have already detailed on this board ), however it is all about TODAY'S race and in this particular race he is most likely too good for the competition save perhaps Einstein if he runs well off the layoff.

Making money at the track isn't about carrying preconceived opinions into races. When After Market faces tougher competition, and doesn't look to get a favorable setup, he will still most likely be overbet relative to his chances, and that is the time to bet against him.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

right on andy...you have to look at the race in front of you..ill include the wolfson horse in my 4 cuz anything can happen..and usally does..

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Electric Light has next to no chance. He crawled on the lead, against significantly lesser horses, and faces significantly more pace pressure, by better horses, tomorrow.

I believe that After Market was overrated last year, as he did get favorable setups in his wins ( which I have already detailed on this board ), however it is all about TODAY'S race and in this particular race he is most likely too good for the competition save perhaps Einstein if he runs well off the layoff.

Making money at the track isn't about carrying preconceived opinions into races. When After Market faces tougher competition, and doesn't look to get a favorable setup, he will still most likely be overbet relative to his chances, and that is the time to bet against him.

What do you think of Barbican's chances tomorrow? Some interesting (pedigree wise) maidens in the 5th as well...what a horrible day to have to miss out by being at work.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

What do you think of Barbican's chances tomorrow? Some interesting (pedigree wise) maidens in the 5th as well...what a horrible day to have to miss out by being at work.

I think any self-respecting horseplayer should take some kind of shot against a horse like Barbican, who will be heavily overbet and offers enormous question marks, but the race is tricky at best and there are legitimately three to four other contenders. I will find some way to play multi-race bets against Barbican however. He may win but the price will be considerably less than his chances.

There is a lot of pedigree in the 5th and a horse, Riz Sauvage, who has already run very well on the turf in his one start.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think any self-respecting horseplayer should take some kind of shot against a horse like Barbican, who will be heavily overbet and offers enormous question marks, but the race is tricky at best and there are legitimately three to four other contenders. I will find some way to play multi-race bets against Barbican however. He may win but the price will be considerably less than his chances.

There is a lot of pedigree in the 5th and a horse, Riz Sauvage, who has already run very well on the turf in his one start.

I've been waiting forever for this horse to return, but I understand what you mean and thank you.

I wish I had picked up the form to see more of what the 5th offered, just recognize a few names.

[blackthroatedwind]

The best bred horses, for turf that is, in the 5th are, in no particular order, Brooklyn's Smart who is a half to Stormina and assorted OK Euros, Mass ( probably the best turf move up breeding ) who's dam's produce is 4-4 on the turf, all move ups, including solid recent allowance horse Plenty and Knight's Cause who is a half to some decent turf winners and whose dam won her turf debut ( and assorted other races ). Trust Your Luck is also a half to Special Grayce who was OK, including a second in a turf stake on Derby Day at Churchill, last year on the weeds.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The best bred horses, for turf that is, in the 5th are, in no particular order, Brooklyn's Smart who is a half to Stormina and assorted OK Euros, Mass ( probably the best turf move up breeding ) who's dam's produce is 4-4 on the turf, all move ups, including solid recent allowance horse Plenty and Knight's Cause who is a half to some decent turf winners and whose dam won her turf debut ( and assorted other races ). Trust Your Luck is also a half to Special Grayce who was OK, including a second in a turf stake on Derby Day at Churchill, last year on the weeds.

Thanks...I was going to say you forgot Sahara Heat, but you got that covered with 'for turf'. First time starter on turf?

[blackthroatedwind]

$3.4 million and they've already given up.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

$3.4 million and they've already given up.

Speaking of high priced near-bombs...where is Harlington? I was thinking of him today. (it was a slow day)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Speaking of high priced near-bombs...where is Harlington? I was thinking of him today. (it was a slow day)

Slow horse on a slow day.

My actual response? Who cares.