Bush trying to keep waterboarding

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm a bigger fan of the electric cords attached to the gonads or the head in the vice but I guess I'm just violent from listening to rap lyrics when I was younger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJewbFZHI34

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by GPK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJewbFZHI34

racist

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GBBob

racist

liberal....







































had such high hopes for you too....

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by GPK

liberal....





































had such high hopes for you too....

I know Kev'..what can I say..You hang with me and you'd never know

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I know Kev'..what can I say..You hang with me and you'd never know

Scavs and Chuck vouch for you...

If Barney and Dell start trying to say good stuff about you...then I know its all lies.

[Cannon Shell]

As long as he has friends al BWW he is ok!

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As long as he has friends al BWW he is ok!

shhh..maybe I'll e-mail Kev our new hire?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

shhh..maybe I'll e-mail Kev our new hire?

He will approve

[Cannon Shell]

Hell even SCUDS would approve

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A very difficult decision had to be made in WWII
about Japan. It is still being debated today.
I happen to think it was horrible but a correct
decision. I dont think anybody WANTED to do
this, the felt they had to. There is a difference.

I am against torture in all forms.What happened during the 2nd World War was not torture.We could either lose Japanese and American lives in a land war invading Japan,or we could lose Japanese lives in a way that would convince them to stop fighting us.That was not torture.It was war.We didn't have those people in our custody.I am against torture of anybody.Don't treat your prisoners the way scum does.Treat them the way you would want American prisoners treated,or don't complain when our men are tortured.The reason to have prisoners is to keep them from harming others.They aren't for you to do as you please with.I don't know when we started acting like this,but I will never think (in any case)that it's anything less than dog activity.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I am against torture in all forms.What happened during the 2nd World War was not torture.We could either lose Japanese and American lives in a land war invading Japan,or we could lose Japanese lives in a way that would convince them to stop fighting us.That was not torture.It was war.We didn't have those people in our custody.I am against torture of anybody.Don't treat your prisoners the way scum does.Treat them the way you would want American prisoners treated,or don't complain when our men are tortured.The reason to have prisoners is to keep them from harming others.They aren't for you to do as you please with.I don't know when we started acting like this,but I will never think (in any case)that it's anything less than dog activity.

There's a difference between random torture for "funsies" and the need to get information to save thousands. Do you differentiate between the two at all?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I am against torture in all forms.What happened during the 2nd World War was not torture.We could either lose Japanese and American lives in a land war invading Japan,or we could lose Japanese lives in a way that would convince them to stop fighting us.That was not torture.It was war.We didn't have those people in our custody.I am against torture of anybody.Don't treat your prisoners the way scum does.Treat them the way you would want American prisoners treated,or don't complain when our men are tortured.The reason to have prisoners is to keep them from harming others.They aren't for you to do as you please with.I don't know when we started acting like this,but I will never think (in any case)that it's anything less than dog activity.

There is pretty compelling evidence that the Japanese ate many of our prisoners of war.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I am against torture in all forms.What happened during the 2nd World War was not torture.We could either lose Japanese and American lives in a land war invading Japan,or we could lose Japanese lives in a way that would convince them to stop fighting us.That was not torture.It was war.We didn't have those people in our custody.I am against torture of anybody.Don't treat your prisoners the way scum does.Treat them the way you would want American prisoners treated,or don't complain when our men are tortured.The reason to have prisoners is to keep them from harming others.They aren't for you to do as you please with.I don't know when we started acting like this,but I will never think (in any case)that it's anything less than dog activity.

So we should just turn em lose and nuke em?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

There's a difference between random torture for "funsies" and the need to get information to save thousands. Do you differentiate between the two at all?

No,I don't rationalize in order to act like a dog.You can always come up with reasons to act badly.There is no end to that.We disagree about whether they are your property to do this with.You keep using a reward to justify an evil.Please step back to the earlier step and evaluate that before you get to this dessert you keep offering up.The 1st step is whether you believe they are ours to do this with.It's about whether they are our property to abuse,and I fundamentally disagree with those who believe that prisoners are our property to treat as we see fit.Now,once you have got past this step(and you agree that they are ours to do what we want with,)then go forward with this reward (to make it seem a good thing.)We are too quick to get to the prize,and we skip steps.The primary step is are they ours to do this with.To me,you need to say yes or no to that before you get to what good things you think torture will bring you.So,no,I can't get to this reward you speak of because I can't agree to ever treat them like we own them.To me,they are there to keep them away from the rest of society.They are not there for us to torture.I can't get to all these prizes you offer,because you are in the wrong(before you even offer the prize....you're wrong for treating a prisoner like they are a kids doll.)You can't make that right.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GBBob

shhh..maybe I'll e-mail Kev our new hire?

approved


*note to self...a trip to Arlington this year may be a good idea

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

approved


*note to self...a trip to Arlington this year may be a good idea

Send Scuds an email...he is much too tense...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Send Scuds an email...he is much too tense...

shes way too light for Scuds.

Scuds likes them light brown/tan....with some serious junk in the trunk

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I am against torture in all forms.What happened during the 2nd World War was not torture.We could either lose Japanese and American lives in a land war invading Japan,or we could lose Japanese lives in a way that would convince them to stop fighting us.That was not torture.It was war.We didn't have those people in our custody.I am against torture of anybody.Don't treat your prisoners the way scum does.Treat them the way you would want American prisoners treated,or don't complain when our men are tortured.The reason to have prisoners is to keep them from harming others.They aren't for you to do as you please with.I don't know when we started acting like this,but I will never think (in any case)that it's anything less than dog activity.

If American prisoners were knowingly withholding information that
would help stop the decimation of a huge numer of innoncent people
all intended to terrorize other innocent people as a whole, I would want them
waterboarded.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,I don't rationalize in order to act like a dog.You can always come up with reasons to act badly.There is no end to that.We disagree about whether they are your property to do this with.You keep using a reward to justify an evil.Please step back to the earlier step and evaluate that before you get to this dessert you keep offering up.The 1st step is whether you believe they are ours to do this with.It's about whether they are our property to abuse,and I fundamentally disagree with those who believe that prisoners are our property to treat as we see fit.Now,once you have got past this step(and you agree that they are ours to do what we want with,)then go forward with this reward (to make it seem a good thing.)We are too quick to get to the prize,and we skip steps.The primary step is are they ours to do this with.To me,you need to say yes or no to that before you get to what good things you think torture will bring you.So,no,I can't get to this reward you speak of because I can't agree to ever treat them like we own them.To me,they are there to keep them away from the rest of society.They are not there for us to torture.I can't get to all these prizes you offer,because you are in the wrong(before you even offer the prize....you're wrong for treating a prisoner like they are a kids doll.)You can't make that right.

Scuds...this "reward" could be my daughter or a family member of yours. I will never agree with the death penalty (please..no new threads) because I don't think the State should have that power. And yes, I've sat at a million parties where the.."If your daughter" scenario is played out..horrible stuff. But if your life could be saved by a waterboard..sorry..I am in favor of that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If American prisoners were knowingly withholding information that
would help stop the decimation of a huge numer of innoncent people
all intended to terrorize other innocent people as a whole, I would want them
waterboarded.

I would like Isiah Thomas waterboarded