Justify Failed Drug Test Before Derby

[Rupert Pupkin]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/s...cky-derby.html

[Dahoss]

I’m not sure I have the energy to try and explain this to my friends and family that are going to ask. The Santa Anita fiasco was taxing enough.

Bad look.

[Bfarris21]

Is this not found in feed and doesnt the story state others in the barn were being treated with the drug? How long does this stay in the system? Forgive for naivety but I am a fan of the sport and would like some insight on this.

[knickslions2]

This is some interesting stuff. The jimson weed argument is shady at best. The levels were pretty high to be food contamination. I think Buffett is a pretty straight guy so this is perplexing.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I think Buffett is a pretty straight guy so this is perplexing.

You do? He had 7 horses drop dead out of nowhere.

He either has the worst luck ever or he’s really good at deceiving.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

This is some interesting stuff. The jimson weed argument is shady at best. The levels were pretty high to be food contamination.

Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/

300 ng/ml is pretty excessive to be caused by eating jimson weed mixed in feed. If I get some time later I’ll looked over the metabolism profile better.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jimsonweed hardly shady. Mandella has dealt with one of these as well. I'd trust Dr. Arthur in California about the incident rather than disgruntled sky-is-falling resource Dr. Sams in Kentucky.

Funny that CA Equine Medical Director Arthur, a frequent contributor to Times pieces in the past, isn't utilized at all. Bill Finley talked to Arthur though: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...tory-nonsense/

The overage isn’t the big issue here, although I find it hard to believe if the horse was trained by someone else and won a maiden claimer that he wouldn’t have been DQ’d. 4 times the legal limit is a lot. Just more bad luck for Baffert I guess.

The issue is the coverup. Let’s assume the overage is contaminated feed. Why was everything handled in the dark? Why did it take an article from Drape, who I don’t think many would defend, 15 months later for people to find out? When a regulatory board operates that way it should concern everyone. What else is being handled like that we don’t know about?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Bfarris21

Is this not found in feed and doesnt the story state others in the barn were being treated with the drug? How long does this stay in the system? Forgive for naivety but I am a fan of the sport and would like some insight on this.

Not so much in feed as in hay. It's not a medication/drug. Scopolamine (and with it atropine) are naturally occurring in jimsonweed which gets into hay bales as a matter of course. Horses generally will bypass it in when grazing fields, but will eat it as part of the hay flake they receive daily. It's toxicity is very volatile and unpredictable. Scopolamine positives date back 40 years, particularly in California, and are the kind of incident relegated to fine-generating contaminations.

[cal828]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not so much in feed as in hay. It's not a medication/drug. Scopolamine (and with it atropine) are naturally occurring in jimsonweed which gets into hay bales as a matter of course. Horses generally will bypass it in when grazing fields, but will eat it as part of the hay flake they receive daily. It's toxicity is very volatile and unpredictable. Scopolamine positives date back 40 years, particularly in California, and are the kind of incident relegated to fine-generating contaminations.

Is it banned because of its detrimental effects or because of its performance enhancing effects and if it does enhance performance, how?

[cal828]

Originally Posted by cal828

Is it banned because of its detrimental effects or because of its performance enhancing effects and if it does enhance performance, how?

Sorry, I see, bronchodilator, increases heart rate.