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01-02-2015, 12:22 PM
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My Eclipse Ballot.. (Updated with Winners, Voting)
A few very difficult calls, including some that I hadn't anticipated being that involved (like 2yo male)..
Two-Year-Old Male: 1st - American Pharoah, 2nd - Texas Red, 3rd - Hootenany Two-Year-Old Filly: 1st - Lady Eli, 2nd - Take Charge Brandi , 3rd - Sunset Glow Three-Year-Old Male: : 1st - Bayern, 2nd - California Chrome, 3rd - Shared Belief Three-Year-Old Filly: 1st - Untapable, 2nd - Sweet Reason , 3rd - Lexie Lou Older Male: 1st - Palace Malice , 2nd - Goldencents, 3rd - Imperative Older Female: 1st - Close Hatches, 2nd - Don't Tell Sophia, 3rd - Iotapa Male Sprinter: 1st - Work All Week, 2nd - Private Zone, 3rd - Palace Female Sprinter: 1st - Judy the Beauty, 2nd - Artemis Agrotera, 3rd - Better Lucky Male Turf Horse: 1st - Main Sequence, 2nd - Wise Dan , 3rd - Kaigun Female Turf Horse: 1st - Dayatthespa, 2nd - La Tia, 3rd - Stephanie's Kitten Steeplechase Horse: 1st - Demonstrative, 2nd - Divine Fortune, 3rd - Makari Owner: 1st - Kaleem Shah, 2nd - Kenneth L. and Sarah K. Ramsey, 3rd - Winchell Thoroughbreds LLC Breeder: 1st - Winchell Thoroughbreds LLC, 2nd - Kenneth L. and Sarah K. Ramsey, 3rd - Chester & Mary Broman Trainer: 1st - Todd Pletcher, 2nd - Chad Brown , 3rd - Wesley Ward Jockey: 1st - Javier Castellano, 2nd - Victor Espinoza, 3rd - Joel Rosario Apprentice Jockey: 1st - Drayden Van Dyke, 2nd - Taylor Rice, 3rd - Juan Saez Horse of the Year: 1st - Bayern, 2nd - California Chrome, 3rd - Untapable
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984. Last edited by Kasept : 01-18-2015 at 05:45 AM. 
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01-02-2015, 05:06 PM
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Not into these awards that much as it really only matters
to those in ownership. I do think that California Chrome is 3 year old male champion and Bayern is HOY. IMO it all comes down to the races that they won. Chrome won the most prestigious races for 3 year old's and Bayern won the year end championship race. Wise Dan still gets the turf vote for me as he is reigning champion. Why didn't Main Sequence shorten up and go after Wise Dan? Seems that is what Dan is always hearing.
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01-02-2015, 05:54 PM
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I'm curious as to how you think Todd should even be a finalist for the trainer Eclipse, much less the winner. In all seriousness, I thought he had a poor year all things considered. Certainly one's stock has to be taken into account. No?
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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01-02-2015, 06:14 PM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-02-2015, 06:18 PM
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If you look at the season as a whole, it's not pretty.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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01-02-2015, 06:29 PM
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Here's the GSW's.. 2014 Metropolitan Handicap (Gr. 1) Palace Malice 2014 Arkansas Derby (Gr. 1) Danza 2014 Besilu Florida Derby (Gr. 1) Constitution 2014 Alabama Stakes (Gr. 1) Stopchargingmaria 2014 Champagne Stakes (Gr. 1) Daredevil 2014 Claiborne Breeders' Futurity (Gr. 1) Carpe Diem 2014 Hopeful Stakes (Gr. 1) Competitive Edge 2014 Chandelier Stakes (Gr. 1) Angela Renee 2014 TVG Coaching Club American Oaks (Gr. 1) Stopchargingmaria 2014 Black-Eyed Susan Stakes (Gr. 2) Stopchargingmaria 2014 Risen Star Stakes (Gr. 2) Intense Holiday 2014 New Orleans Handicap (Gr. 2) Palace Malice 2014 Gulfstream Oaks (Gr. 2) In Tune 2014 Gazelle Stakes (Gr. 2) My Miss Sophia 2014 Dixiana Elkhorn Stakes (Gr. 2) Unitarian 2014 Nashua Stakes (Gr. 2) Blofeld 2014 Hawthorne Gold Cup Handicap (Gr. 2) Red Rifle 2014 Gulfstream Park Handicap (Gr. 2) Palace Malice 2014 Molly Pitcher Stakes (Gr. 2) Majestic River 2014 Top Flight Handicap (Gr. 2) Teen Pauline 2014 Futurity Stakes (Gr. 2) Blofeld 2014 Davona Dale Stakes (Gr. 2) Onlyforyou 2014 Forward Gal Stakes (Gr. 2) Onlyforyou 2014 Horseshoe Casino Cincinnati Spiral Stakes (Gr. 3) We Miss Artie 2014 Poker Stakes (Gr. 3) Jack Milton 2014 Smarty Jones Stakes (Gr. 3) Protonico 2014 Pimlico Special Stakes (Gr. 3) Revolutionary 2014 Schuylerville Stakes (Gr. 3) Fashion Alert 2014 Sam F. Davis Stakes (Gr. 3) Vinceremos 2014 American Derby (Gr. 3) Divine Oath 2014 Turnback the Alarm Handicap (Gr. 3) Dame Dorothy 2014 Razorback Handicap (Gr. 3) Golden Lad 2014 Discovery Handicap (Gr. 3) Protonico 2014 Kent Stakes (Gr. 3) Divine Oath 2014 Palm Beach Stakes (Gr. 3) Gala Award 2014 Westchester Stakes (Gr. 3) Palace Malice 2014 Cliff Hanger Stakes (Gr. 3) Winning Cause 2014 W. L. McKnight Handicap (Gr. 3) Divine Oath 2014 Old Hat Stakes (Gr. 3) Sweet Whiskey 2014 Skip Away Stakes (Gr. 3) Micromanage
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-02-2015, 09:22 PM
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Crazy part with Todd is he gets twice as many horses as it looks like. He cuts the roster 25% before they leave the 2yo training facility and another 25% after their first start. He is dealing from a stacked deck with respect to these year end stats. Tough for you as a voter.
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01-03-2015, 09:20 AM
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01-04-2015, 10:36 AM
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Does anyone know how many 2&3 year olds TAP gets a year? I would assume 200+ combined? Would any of them not be considered 75k+ specimen's in advance of the start of their pending career? Would be OK with me if they split award for trainers with 100 or more being one category and 100 or less another.
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01-04-2015, 10:45 AM
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Personally I think a trainers success isn't just winning A race and then the horse goes into hibernation or abyss. Plus why not give credit to trainers who's stock stays at levels(Brown) and improves(Motion) vs. just winning a big race and never circling back or healthy enough to return to winning form. If the answer is its not "Their Program" then I wish to change the channel to more intelligent and healthy programming. That said TAP is a HoF trainer who enjoys immense success and one of the very best at what he does. Trainer of Year...Not for me especially this year
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01-02-2015, 06:07 PM
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A rather unique and remarkable season for the sophs all the way around as it turned out.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-02-2015, 06:19 PM
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01-02-2015, 06:25 PM
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Didn't address the turf question, but Nick's is right: it's not close. Wise Dan coming back after the colic was a great story, but Main Sequence sweeping nearly all the traditional American turf route tests bears scrutiny. He's a deceptive horse in that his style and margins of victory fueled his critics as he built his resume, but the results are inarguable.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-03-2015, 01:35 AM
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01-07-2015, 11:06 AM
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Eclipse Awards finalists
The 2014 Eclipse Awards finalists, in alphabetical order:
Two-Year-Old Male: American Pharoah, Hootenanny, Texas Red Two-Year-Old Filly: Condo Commando, Lady Eli, Take Charge Brandi Three-Year-Old Male: Bayern, California Chrome, Shared Belief Three-Year-Old Filly: Stopchargingmaria, Sweet Reason, Untapable Older Male: Main Sequence, Palace Malice, Wise Dan Older Female: Close Hatches, Dayatthespa, Don’t Tell Sophia Male Sprinter: Goldencents, Private Zone, Work All Week Female Sprinter: Artemis Agrotera, Judy the Beauty, Sweet Reason Male Turf Horse: Karakontie (JPN), Main Sequence, Wise Dan Female Turf Horse: Crown Queen, Dayatthespa, Stephanie’s Kitten Steeplechase Horse: Demonstrative, Divine Fortune, Makari (GB) Owner: Kaleem Shah, Midwest Thoroughbreds, Ken and Sarah Ramsey Breeder: Adena Springs, Ken and Sarah Ramsey, Winchell Thoroughbreds Trainer: Bob Baffert, Chad Brown, Todd Pletcher Jockey: Javier Castellano, Joel Rosario, John Velazquez Apprentice Jockey: Angel Cruz, Taylor Rice, Drayden Van Dyke Horse of the Year: Bayern, California Chrome, Main Sequence
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-07-2015, 12:42 PM
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The 2014 Eclipse Awards finalists, in alphabetical order:
Two-Year-Old Male: American Pharoah Two-Year-Old Filly: Take Charge Brandi Three-Year-Old Male: Bayern Three-Year-Old Filly: Untapable Older Male: Main Sequence Older Female: Don’t Tell Sophia Male Sprinter: Goldencents Female Sprinter: Judy the Beauty Male Turf Horse: Main Sequence Female Turf Horse: Dayatthespa Steeplechase Horse: Demonstrative Owner: Ken and Sarah Ramsey Breeder: Ken and Sarah Ramsey Trainer: Todd Pletcher Jockey: Javier Castellano Apprentice Jockey: Angel Cruz Horse of the Year: Main Sequence just my opinion
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Arrogate is the best horse since The Bid, and The Bid was better than Secretariat!!!! Last edited by Kasept : 01-07-2015 at 02:48 PM.
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01-07-2015, 02:29 PM
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To me, the 4 very nice G1 turf efforts just don't measure up to what the 3yo boys and even Untapable did in 2014.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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01-07-2015, 02:34 PM
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That's a good point about Untapable, Steve. She would have been a better candidate.
I love Main Sequence, and am a huge fan of Graham as a trainer, but I would never consider him a legit HOY candidate.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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01-07-2015, 02:47 PM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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