Why No Big Race Today at Belmont

[Exceller]

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

You know, I have thought about that a lot, and I definitely think that the format leading up to the Belmont Stakes should be like that of the Derby. A big race the day before starts the weekend off with a little more buzz and excitement!

[Exceller]

They used to put the Acorn there but now they give us the Hill Prince and Queen of Song stakes. Why would anyone travel there for a weekend when you get one decent day of racing.

Originally Posted by Exceller

They used to put the Acorn there but now they give us the Hill Prince and Queen of Song stakes. Why would anyone travel there for a weekend when you get one decent day of racing.

Well Sunday's card isnt bad either. You guys forget something, Pimlico runs NOTHING graded the rest of the ENTIRE MEET!!! They empty it all out that weekend. CD runs very few graded anything after that week as well. They have Foster day, but the weekend stakes other that than those two weekends are weak.
Belmont puts on graded stakes every weekend, and also has a spectacular July 4th weekend. WHy empty the whole thing out and screw everyone the rest of the summer? I mean what else do you suggest they run? They have a grade two sprint, a grade 1 grass race, the belmont, a grade 1 for 3yo fillies, a gade 2 for grass fillies, a graded turf race for three year old colts today, and a grade two tomorrow for 3 yo sprinters! What exactly are we missing? the only thing we are missing is an older horse race for the handicap division. Theytried that last year but since the Pim Special was only three weeks ago, the Met just two weeks ago, and the Foster approaching, who would run in it? What divisions are we missing here?

Originally Posted by Exceller

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

Exceller, this is dumb. NYRA used to run the Acorn on the day before, a grade one. But they moved that to the big day this year and i like it. WHo cares about the day before? They have 3 grade one's and a grade 2 tomorrow. They just werent drawing much of a crowd the day before, so they moved the Acorn. By the way, one of those "garbage stakes races" is a grade three stakes race, the Hill Prince. The first time you win a graded stakes race with one of your horses, you will be proud as hell and crowing. So I don't really think calling a grade three race garbage is quite accurate.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Exceller, this is dumb. NYRA used to run the Acorn on the day before, a grade one. But they moved that to the big day this year and i like it. WHo cares about the day before? They have 3 grade one's and a grade 2 tomorrow. They just werent drawing much of a crowd the day before, so they moved the Acorn. By the way, one of those "garbage stakes races" is a grade three stakes race, the Hill Prince. The first time you win a graded stakes race with one of your horses, you will be proud as hell and crowing. So I don't really think calling a grade three race garbage is quite accurate.

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

Pimlico is different in that (normally), the Kentucky Derby winner is contending for another win and a chance at the triple crown. Once the Preakness is done, the amount of people at Belmont will be largely determined on whether or not we have a triple crown contender.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Pimlico is different in that (normally), the Kentucky Derby winner is contending for another win and a chance at the triple crown. Once the Preakness is done, the amount of people at Belmont will be largely determined on whether or not we have a triple crown contender.

Not sure what your point is. If Barbaro was going for the triple crown the friday stakes race would still be the Hill Prince. That Friday is poorly marketed. They didn't get anyone there even when a TC was on the line.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Not sure what your point is. If Barbaro was going for the triple crown the friday stakes race would still be the Hill Prince. That Friday is poorly marketed. They didn't get anyone there even when a TC was on the line.

My point is... people don't come to Pimlico on Friday because of the special... they come to be around the hype. If there were hype this year, it wouldn't matter WHAT was being run today. People would be there.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Sure Kentucky Oaks, Pimlico Special and.... the Hill Prince? They don't get a crowd there because they are not good at marketing. It is NY, they can't come up with a marketing plan and a real stakes race? How about bringing in a big name band and putting a Stakes race for older horses in there. Tie it into a Friday Mets game or something. NYRA is clueless compared to the two big groups that run Churchill and Pimlico. Pimlico is a terrible track and they still pack them in on Friday before the Preakness.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah ok, wanna compare the meet longhandle at belmont with CD's? Or Pimlico? Give me a break, NYRA runs a great product for months, the other two for 2-3 days. Wanan check out handle on the three meets this year and compare numbers when they are done.
M/L odds on highets handle for meet
Belmont 1-9
CD 100-1
Pimlico- 1000000000000000-1

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah ok, wanna compare the meet longhandle at belmont with CD's? Or Pimlico? Give me a break, NYRA runs a great product for months, the other two for 2-3 days. Wanan check out handle on the three meets this year and compare numbers when they are done.
M/L odds on highets handle for meet
Belmont 1-9
CD 100-1
Pimlico- 1000000000000000-1

NYRA is on the way out. Stronach will own it in a few years and then you will see how to market. Too much corruption caught up with NYRA. You can only buy off politicians for so long.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Kentucky has the Oaks, Pimlico the Pimlico Special, and Belmont gives us some garbage stakes race. NYRA couldn't do any better than this?

The atmosphere in NY is different from that of either Kentucky or Maryland. In KY, the Oaks/Derby is a social event, it basically defines the entire region and everyone who is anyone turns out, fan or not. That's why CD can stretch 2 days out of it.

In Maryland, Pimlico is a dump, not sure if you noticed. The only graded stakes they run are on Preakness weekend and they cant fit them all in one afternoon, so they do Friday too. Go to Pimlico on some random Thursday and enjoy $17,500 claimers as the feature. It is also somewhat of a weekend event because it is a crowning acheivement for the industry in that state.

NY is totally different. NYRA runs solid cards year round, and the Belmont is much less a social event weekend like in Maryland or Kentucky just because it's NYC. There are countless things to do, especially sports wise. On any given weekend, the Mets and Yankees could both be in town, maybe playing rivals like the Braves and Red Sox? Outside of sports, there is a boat load of crap to do as well. What else are you going to do in Kentucky anyways?
Least in Maryland, you could go over to the coast or down to Baltimore.

The Belmont will only be a true event when the Triple Crown is being contested and thats fine with me.

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

The atmosphere in NY is different from that of either Kentucky or Maryland. In KY, the Oaks/Derby is a social event, it basically defines the entire region and everyone who is anyone turns out, fan or not. That's why CD can stretch 2 days out of it.

In Maryland, Pimlico is a dump, not sure if you noticed. The only graded stakes they run are on Preakness weekend and they cant fit them all in one afternoon, so they do Friday too. Go to Pimlico on some random Thursday and enjoy $17,500 claimers as the feature. It is also somewhat of a weekend event because it is a crowning acheivement for the industry in that state.

NY is totally different. NYRA runs solid cards year round, and the Belmont is much less a social event weekend like in Maryland or Kentucky just because it's NYC. There are countless things to do, especially sports wise. On any given weekend, the Mets and Yankees could both be in town, maybe playing rivals like the Braves and Red Sox? Outside of sports, there is a boat load of crap to do as well. What else are you going to do in Kentucky anyways?
Least in Maryland, you could go over to the coast or down to Baltimore.

The Belmont will only be a true event when the Triple Crown is being contested and thats fine with me.

LOL!!!! Yeah, what else would you do there?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!! Yeah, what else would you do there?

Plenty to do in MD/DC. Last I checked it was the nations capital.

Exceller Im still hysterically laughing on the legislature comment. Now maybe you didnt take poli sci in college or high school. But we have this kinda neat checks and balances system, and in the system under which we operate. Legislature makes the laws, they sure as hell don't rule on legalities!!! That would be the JUDICIAL branch. You know, judges and all that good stuff.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Exceller Im still hysterically laughing on the legislature comment. Now maybe you didnt take poli sci in college or high school. But we have this kinda neat checks and balances system, and in the system under which we operate. Legislature makes the laws, they sure as hell don't rule on legalities!!! That would be the JUDICIAL branch. You know, judges and all that good stuff.

I can assure you I know how how the political world works better than you. Judges are owned by people and often appointed by politicians. The legislature in NY, which controls the purse strings, will win the battle because they want the money. Judges, especially in NY, are corrupt to the bone. You can buy off any of them. Checks and Balances work pretty well at the federal level but are useless at the state level. I see that checks and balances working real well in DC right now. LOL. Stick to your textbooks, I live in the real world.