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Old 10-18-2012, 10:02 PM
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Default Quite a finale at KEE Friday..

KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:30 PM
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Cuomo is in charge now. Everyone knows that things will be different now.

Keeneland is very concerned that Kentucky Downs is horning in on their action and is combating them by carding 7500 claimers, putting them in the pick 5 and getting their customers used to these races. They are also considering carding dated 4k races to combat the new River Downs grandstand/gambling hall.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:39 PM
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KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.
I agree. My buddy asked me to pull bris n scan the pick 4. I looked told him its unplayable for me. Maybe try and crush the pick 3 or something.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:16 PM
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I agree. My buddy asked me to pull bris n scan the pick 4. I looked told him its unplayable for me. Maybe try and crush the pick 3 or something.
Do you plan on sitting on the pick 3?

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Old 10-18-2012, 11:22 PM
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KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.
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Do you plan on sitting on the pick 3?

I do actually. Or sitting it out.
Did you get my pm about the quake? I was concerned with your well being
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:09 AM
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I do actually. Or sitting it out.
Oh, I thought by crushing the pick 3 you were going to sit on the pick 3. My bad.


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Did you get my pm about the quake? I was concerned with your well being

Which one are you referring to? This one below?...

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I hope you rolled off into the atlantic after the earthquake last night. I find it funny.... I am the ****up? But you, you can't leave me alone. Go die somewhere..... or lie about another fake illness. Whatever floats your boat.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:25 AM
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Yup. That's it. Glad your OK Dave.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:43 AM
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KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.
The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:50 AM
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The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.



Delta Downs starts tonight
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:30 AM
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Delta Downs starts tonight
EXCELLENT! Thanks for the reminder.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:40 AM
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The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.
When I got to the point where I thought a random number generator could score a P4 at Keeneland before me I threw in the towel on that track.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:41 AM
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Belmont Fall Meet nightcaps

17Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
14Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000n2l
13Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000b
12Oct12 9Bel gd 3 Clm 20000b
11Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Soc 50000r
8Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 15000b 0
7Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000n2l
6Oct12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b
5Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
4Oct12 9Bel my 3 Md Sp Wt
3Oct12 9Bel my 3 Md 25000
30Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 20000b
29Sep12 11Bel yl 3 Md Sp Wt
27Sep12 10Bel fm 3 Md 25000
26Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Md 25000
23Sep12 10Bel gd 3 Md Sp Wt
21Sep12 9Bel fst 2 Md 65000
20Sep12 9Bel yl 2 Md Sp Wt
19Sep12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
16Sep12 10Bel fm 3 Md 25000
15Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b
14Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Clm 20000b
13Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Md 25000
12Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Clm 20000b
9Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Md Sp Wt
8Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:49 AM
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Facts can be pseky things, can't they?
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:08 PM
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I don't personally see any problem with open $7,500 claiming races.

The seven inside-most horses in the race have won 19 races so far this year and it's one of the few races on Keeneland's card today I'm even remotely interested in.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:12 PM
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Just so we know what we are dealing with, here is a breakdown of the last race of the day for each day at Belmont since the fall meeting started on September 8th:

There have been 30 last races of the day carded so far, including this weekend, and they have been 1 NY Bred stake, 1 Starter allowance/opt. claimer, 5 Maiden Special Weight (1 open, 4 NY bred), 11 maiden claimers (1 65k, 1 50k, the rest 25k or less) and 12 either conditioned or NW2L claimers, all between 15-25k claiming price. So perhaps it's not every day, but there have certainly been a representative number of low-level claiming races to finish up belmont cards.

Breakdown of field size, of 27 races run so far, 5 had 12 horses, 7 had 11, 5 had 10, 3 had 9, 4 had 8, 3 had 7 or less. It's just you remember the three horse field more vividly so it becomes "all the races have short fields" but the actual number don't back up that assertion.

The races draw full competitive fields and as far as I'm concerned that's all that really matters.

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Old 10-19-2012, 12:33 PM
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The finale last Saturday at Keeneland was a 30K N2L claimer.

Those two races are very similar -- a good 30K N2L male and a good $7,500 open male are going to be very close on figures -- the only big difference is that the good open $7,500 usually is winning or dropping and the good 30K N2L is consistent at filling out exotic tickets or dropping.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:38 PM
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Just so we know what we are dealing with, here is a breakdown of the last race of the day for each day at Belmont since the fall meeting started on September 8th:

There have been 30 last races of the day carded so far, including this weekend, and they have been 1 NY Bred stake, 1 Starter allowance/opt. claimer, 5 Maiden Special Weight (1 open, 4 NY bred), 11 maiden claimers (1 65k, 1 50k, the rest 25k or less) and 12 either conditioned or NW2L claimers, all between 15-25k claiming price. So perhaps it's not every day, but there have certainly been a representative number of low-level claiming races to finish up belmont cards.

Breakdown of field size, of 27 races run so far, 5 had 12 horses, 7 had 11, 5 had 10, 3 had 9, 4 had 8, 3 had 7 or less. It's just you remember the three horse field more vividly so it becomes "all the races have short fields" but the actual number don't back up that assertion.

The races draw full competitive fields and as far as I'm concerned that's all that really matters.
Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:45 PM
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Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?
Did you read the first sentence of his post?
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:04 PM
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Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?
I wasn't saying it there, but I will say it here. Through yesterday, there have been 267 races at Belmont during the fall meet, with a total of 2,213 starters, for an average of 8.288 starters per race. For every 5 horse stakes race or off-the-turf event, there was a big full 12 horse field to make up for it.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:31 AM
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KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.
This was the norm for the fall meet at Belmont.
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