Discreet Cat to stay in US

DiscreetCat=Monster · #1 09-09-2006, 06:35 PM

With Electrocusionist gone I hope they leave Discreet Cat in the US for the BC Classic they are claiming he can't go a mile and a quarter but if be can come a tik off the track record going 7 under wraps off a layoff why not stretch him out after the Jerome ANY THOUGHTS, or does anyone know if they have another horse already for the Classic

#2 09-09-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Who's claiming he can't go 1 1/4

I'm sure not!!! For all Bernandini's hype, I'm thinking that Discreet cat would blow by him like he was tied to a post.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #3 09-09-2006, 06:56 PM

In the DRF before there was an article where there racing manager had said that but I am on DISCREET CATS WAGON going a mile and a quarter

Nostradamus · #4 09-09-2006, 08:48 PM

I think Discreet Cat is fragile. I cant see them running him in the Classic off a 7F and then an 8F race. The Cigar Mile and the Dubai race are clearly their target. I doubt the Classic means that much to them. Bernardini is going to be retired at the end of the year. He is going to be their sire that puts them in the KY Derby picture for the next decade. A Classic win for him would mean more.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #5 09-10-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I think Discreet Cat is fragile. I cant see them running him in the Classic off a 7F and then an 8F race. The Cigar Mile and the Dubai race are clearly their target. I doubt the Classic means that much to them. Bernardini is going to be retired at the end of the year. He is going to be their sire that puts them in the KY Derby picture for the next decade. A Classic win for him would mean more.

The Sheik treats all his horses like that if you know there background in there country the horses get to eat before the humans do. So pressing them too soon they have nothing to gain they are not money hungery like most private US owners. Discreet Cat is probally worth 7 - 10 mill I would give him all the time in the world. 1 tick off the track record in hand, 1 start off the layoff he is just a monster and you know when godolphin brings him to the paddock he is ready to run

King Glorious · #6 09-09-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm sure not!!! For all Bernandini's hype, I'm thinking that Discreet cat would blow by him like he was tied to a post.

I don't know about blowing by him like that but I do think Discreet Cat is probably the better of the two. I personally felt that they were going to end up running Discreet Cat in the Classic even before Electrocutionist died. Bernardini or not. Why not have the family try to sweep all of the spots?

Cannon Shell · #7 09-09-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm sure not!!! For all Bernandini's hype, I'm thinking that Discreet cat would blow by him like he was tied to a post.

Uh... when you win the Preakness, Jim Dandy, and Travers by open lengths, pretty much eased up it aint hype anymore.

Betsy · #8 09-09-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh... when you win the Preakness, Jim Dandy, and Travers by open lengths, pretty much eased up it aint hype anymore.

Yup........and yet, despite his performances, most people on this board think DC is by far the better horse. Therefore, it seems as if Bernardini still hasn't proven much of anything thus far.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #9 09-09-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I'm sure not!!! For all Bernandini's hype, I'm thinking that Discreet cat would blow by him like he was tied to a post.

wrong mike...dini hasent been asked yet..he didnt even get a toe check let alone a gut check from bgc...and these two will never meet why would the two stables go vs each other..steve and i talked about this ..the best move for both is to not run vs each other..if he stays here im thinking he goes west to make some easy cash....

Pointg5 · #10 09-09-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

wrong mike...dini hasent been asked yet..he didnt even get a toe check let alone a gut check from bgc...and these two will never meet why would the two stables go vs each other..steve and i talked about this ..the best move for both is to not run vs each other..if he stays here im thinking he goes west to make some easy cash....

He hasn't been asked yet, because he hasn't beat anyone...He's talented, no doubt about it, but think about it, he beat a bunch of nothings in the Travers and the only good horse had a broken leg...He's been one of the luckiest horses I can think of, Preakness-Barbaro broke down, Paceless Jim Dandy, and Travers BGC broke a leg...Discreet Cat is a better horse than him, in my opinion...Look what DC did to Invasior and look how Invasior's been running...If Bernardini beats Invasior, that's different...

hoovesupsideyourhead · #11 09-09-2006, 09:39 PM

well im a fan of both but dini is the goods and ive spent some time with him....he will have to be challanged by some one ...but who....im not doing the pritty horseie deal...just imo hes the best horse in training...

#12 09-09-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

He hasn't been asked yet, because he hasn't beat anyone...He's talented, no doubt about it, but think about it, he beat a bunch of nothings in the Travers and the only good horse had a broken leg...He's been one of the luckiest horses I can think of, Preakness-Barbaro broke down, Paceless Jim Dandy, and Travers BGC broke a leg...

Once again ... I ask the same question I always ask ... but never get an answer to ...

If it were so easy to run off with the Preakness because Barbaro broke down ... and to run off with a paceless Jim Dandy ... and to run off with the Travers because Bluegrass Cat broke a leg ...

... how come nobody else did it?

Pointg5 · #13 09-09-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Once again ... I ask the same question I always ask ... but never get an answer to ...

If it were so easy to run off with the Preakness because Barbaro broke down ... and to run off with a paceless Jim Dandy ... and to run off with the Travers because Bluegrass Cat broke a leg ...

... how come nobody else did it?

Because they're not that good...

I did not say, he was not talented, but if you are looking at all of the facts, you cannot dispute any that I put up...

If he beats older horses, fine, but until he does, he beat a Preakness field with many over the top and a breakdown, a paceless Jim Dandy, and a Travers with another horse with a broken leg, please tell me if any of this is incorrect...

I know, he's some people's hero horse and he's got a great pedigree, but I like to live in the real world....

#14 09-09-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, Bold you and I rarely agree. But I commend this post. You are absolutely correct.

And you're absolutely correct too ... that is ...

... when you agree with me.

ateamstupid · #15 09-09-2006, 10:00 PM

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The bottom line is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

Pointg5 · #16 09-09-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The bottom line is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

I have said all along he's beat nothing, I said I would give him credit if he BGC, but BGC broke a leg in the race, so that's not much...If I would have known BGC would have broken a leg before the race, maybe I could have chimed in on that as well....

Sightseek · #17 09-10-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The bottom line is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

Awesome post.

Betsy · #18 09-10-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love how the "he beat nothing" crowd never decides to chime in until after a race is run.. Before the Preakness, I never heard anybody calling Brother Derek or Sweetnorthernsaint "nothing." Before the Jim Dandy, I never heard anybody calling Minister's Bid, Dr. Pleasure, Sunriver, etc. "nothing." It's always after the race that these horses suddenly become nothing. Gee, I wonder what the reason for that could be..

Could it possibly be that Bernardini just makes them look like nothing? No, that couldn't be it. He's just lucky he runs into a whole bunch of horses, who, upon postrace inspection, are nothing.

More to the point, this is a tremendous 3-year-old class. Anyone who disagrees must have slept through the last four TC seasons. And Bernardini and Discreet Cat happen to be the two best 3-year-olds in a LONG time.. Who's better? I honestly can't say. Bernardini has accomplished more, but when I saw DC's comeback race in person, my jaw hit the ground.. There's no telling how good this horse is.

The <a href="bottom%20line" onmouseover="window.status='bottom line'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">bottom line</a> is these are two OUTSTANDING horses and nobody can seem to enjoy it. Everyone wants to get caught up in who's better than who or who beat what.. Man, let it go. They're both otherworldly talent-wise..

Great post, and I agree. Barbaro beat some of the same horses and he's one of the greatest ever, but when Bernardini does it, he's lucky? There will be no asteriks in the history books for the Preakness or any of his other races, so history will be kinder to Bernardini than some fans have been.

By the way, I'm not saying DC might not be as good or better than Bernardini -he might or might not be (because as much room as DC has to improve, Bernardini has as much or more). But maybe Bernardini would blow DC's doors off or maybe there is not much between them. I really don't think they will ever face each other.......Let's just hope the both race next year and we can watch them do some spectacular things. Talents like these don't come around very often. Again, great post, Ateam!

Rupert Pupkin · #19 09-09-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

wrong mike...dini hasent been asked yet..he didnt even get a toe check let alone a gut check from bgc...and these two will never meet why would the two stables go vs each other..steve and i talked about this ..the best move for both is to not run vs each other..if he stays here im thinking he goes west to make some easy cash....

I don't think it is very likely that they would send DC out west. They know that the tracks in Southern California are rock-hard and very dangerous. I don't think they would take a chance and run him out west. They don't like to run their good horses out west.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #20 09-10-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think it is very likely that they would send DC out west. They know that the tracks in Southern California are rock-hard and very dangerous. I don't think they would take a chance and run him out west. They don't like to run their good horses out west.

I am with you on that one I can't remember the last time I seen a godophin runner in Cali with out the BC going on