Honest opinions concerning paying for info here....

[2MinsToPost]

I take a good bit of the blame for helping create this "firestorm' that is selling picks. First, toss out your pre-conceived notions about me and my past. I'll go on the record here and now and leave this alone. I don't like it, at least on this site. Why, one might ask. Because I feel it is not appropriate from a marketing perspective. Let me expand for a moment and that is all -

I have a new site and am rolling it off the shelf. Things are taking off. Many, many new members, and many of those are posting on the forum, i.e., chat room (mind you I am not talking about a new site by me but rather this site). Now, this is my angle -

Joe blow come to find this site and starts reading. Suddenly, he comes upon the "pay for picks / info link. So he jumps aboard. Suddenly, he realizes that the person who is posting this info is also a regular on the forum / chat room on this board. Two possibilities exist at this point -

1 - This new customer (reader / poster) of the board discovers success thru the information that is provided by such individual at a certain dollar amount. All is well and no question word of mouth will do nothing but help propel the board to new levels of success as well as the person who is posting the info for sale.

2 - This is the "potential" problem in my professional opinion. The above new customer (member / poster) shells out the "amount" required to receive the above mentioned information by a certain individual and does not receive the expected results. So, this new customer takes his business someplace else in frustration.

It is a potential no win. This is a great site with so much potential and it does not need someone who has no people skills via the keyboard to turn away customers but rather a great forum for folks to discuss what they love and brought them here in the first place, Horse Racing. Mike is very brash on the keyboard and if he wishes to pursue his dream of selling his information I for one hope he does it not at Steve's potential expense.

Only your unbiased opinions and don't let my past posts on here and ESPN cloud your response. I don't want Steve to allow this in one way or the other, either a link or a first person endorsement. Just my thoughts. Yours?

[Scav]

Curt, will you just let sleeping dogs lie and knock it off. THERE WILL NEVER BE SOMEONE SELLING THERE PICKS ON HERE, I am sure Steve has told you this via PM....And it is a free F'n country, I don't have to buy them, neither do you. The message board is still going to be here.

Who gives a crap? What you still don't realize is that HOOVES was screwing around when he started that post, a JOKE.

Newsflash, when I am hot at the track, I tell my friends I am going to start selling them my picks, IN JEST or whatever the f'n word is.

Stop trying to cause more crap

[2MinsToPost]

Let me also just say I am not pointing the arrow at Mike but anyone who wants to sell info, on an individual basis.

[Scav]

How about I sell you a train ticket?

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Scav

Curt, will you just let sleeping dogs lie and knock it off. THERE WILL NEVER BE SOMEONE SELLING THERE PICKS ON HERE, I am sure Steve has told you this via PM....And it is a free F'n country, I don't have to buy them, neither do you. The message board is still going to be here.

Who gives a crap? What you still don't realize is that HOOVES was screwing around when he started that post, a JOKE.

Newsflash, when I am hot at the track, I tell my friends I am going to start selling them my picks, IN JEST or whatever the f'n word is.

Stop trying to cause more crap

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

listen sybil nothing you say holds merit.so save the drama for you momma..

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

I really don't see your point, you say you're a friend of the board yet reading you posts here and elsewhere to me seems you're just starting crap.

At one point you say you have the utmost respect for Steve, however after exchanging emails you still bring this up here. Hard to have an honest conversation when a big part was through email and I'd guess 99% of us are wondering what the heck your agenda is.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

I really don't see your point, you say you're a friend of the board yet reading you posts here and elsewhere to me seems you're just starting crap.

At one point you say you have the utmost respect for Steve, however after exchanging emails you still bring this up here. Hard to have an honest conversation when a big part was through email and I'd guess 99% of us are wondering what the heck your agenda is.

agenda - none

topic conversation and debate in a timely fashion today - dead on

problem is I should have known better cause some would rather throw insults my way rather than some good honest conversation

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

a.talk about anything else
b. talk about anything else
c..professional opinion...you walked into a job and asked for vacation the first day..
cwhen you burn bridges the water gets a little deep...
get it ....

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

agenda - none

topic conversation and debate in a timely fashion today - dead on

problem is I should have known better cause some would rather throw insults my way rather than some good honest conversation

Will someone please escort the rambling gentlemen who has had way toomuch to drink off the premises?
Curt, please go back to AA and get help ok? I'm being very serious. You are a few sandwiches short of picnic these days.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I am not trying to cause crap but rather an honest debate / conversation on this subject Tom. Which I feel holds some merit. This site is ready to take off and it is one that is time sensitive do you think not?

No I don't. You are trying to cause problems when this issue has slowly gone away....Fact is this, Is this your website? if the answer is yes, you can do whatever you want. You could put a horse mounting a mare on the front cover and tell people they have to pay to see it. You could put me f'n naked on the front with a DRF and say "Got winners"

it isn't your site, I am sure steve will take recommendations and such, but all you are doing is causing problems, knock it off

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Scav

No I don't. You are trying to cause problems when this issue has slowly gone away....Fact is this, Is this your website? if the answer is yes, you can do whatever you want. You could put a horse mounting a mare on the front cover and tell people they have to pay to see it. You could put me f'n naked on the front with a DRF and say "Got winners"

it isn't your site, I am sure steve will take recommendations and such, but all you are doing is causing problems, knock it off

Tom, not causing problems but rather opening up a line of conversation. If someone other then me had posted the same thread would you respond the same way?

I know what Steve said. I read it. Why would I DISRESPECT HIM TOM IN THIS WAY? Get a reality grip brother, no disrespect. I am opening up a line of communication and debate, not looking for trouble. You are stirring the pot for a change.

[Scav]

I am not even responding to this anymore...I REALLY wish there was an ignore feature on here....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Tom, not causing problems but rather opening up a line of conversation. If someone other then me had posted the same thread would you respond the same way?

I . Why would I DISRESPECT HIM TOM IN THIS WAY? , You are stirring the pot for a change.

you have got to be the dumbest person ive ever read on a message board..you already did when you went on the other board ...you need to be banned..working out the ol elbow again otis...dude thats your new name otis the drunk....from mayberry...lmfao...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I take a good bit of the blame for helping create this "firestorm' that is selling picks. First, toss out your pre-conceived notions about me and my past. I'll go on the record here and now and leave this alone. I don't like it, at least on this site. Why, one might ask. Because I feel it is not appropriate from a marketing perspective. Let me expand for a moment and that is all -

I have a new site and am rolling it off the shelf. Things are taking off. Many, many new members, and many of those are posting on the forum, i.e., chat room (mind you I am not talking about a new site by me but rather this site). Now, this is my angle -

Joe blow come to find this site and starts reading. Suddenly, he comes upon the "pay for picks / info link. So he jumps aboard. Suddenly, he realizes that the person who is posting this info is also a regular on the forum / chat room on this board. Two possibilities exist at this point -

1 - This new customer (reader / poster) of the board discovers success thru the information that is provided by such individual at a certain dollar amount. All is well and no question word of mouth will do nothing but help propel the board to new levels of success as well as the person who is posting the info for sale.

2 - This is the "potential" problem in my professional opinion. The above new customer (member / poster) shells out the "amount" required to receive the above mentioned information by a certain individual and does not receive the expected results. So, this new customer takes his business someplace else in frustration.

It is a potential no win. This is a great site with so much potential and


it does not need someone who has no people skills via the keyboard to turn away customers

but rather a great forum for folks to discuss what they love and brought them here in the first place, Horse Racing. Mike is very brash on the keyboard and if he wishes to pursue his dream of selling his information I for one hope he does it not at Steve's potential expense.

Only your unbiased opinions and don't let my past posts on here and ESPN cloud your response. I don't want Steve to allow this in one way or the other, either a link or a first person endorsement. Just my thoughts. Yours?

my unbiased opinion is you might want to think about the above in bold before you post any more of your supposed thought provoking, convo starting drivel.

oh, and WHY WOULD ANYONE hold all your previous postings against you? lol yeah, only shows your history, your track record.

turning over a new leaf? you've got a hell of a way to show it!!

I willl bet we could raise 1 grand easily by offering to ban you if we raised that much.
Curt, get it together or get out. You are embarassing yourself, and all who know you. Put down the beer, and pull up a diet pepsi.

I picture this guy right now in a Nascar tshirt, marlboro hat, beer in hand, howling at the moon in his backyard right now!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!